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Stevens 414 Armoury Model (x2)
Oct 25th, 2020 at 8:05am
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Hi,
to avoid trolling the "dating Stevens 94 rufles", I will open my own to present you in more detail two Stevens 414.

mostly pictures, as there are allready a host of posts on this "not so rare" rifle (they are not very rare in Europe, so I guess they're pretty everywhere in the USA  Smiley )

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above 69040
below 74760

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comparison of buttstock (early/late)

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casehardening of 74760. judging from the rest of the rifle, this is original to the gun.
  
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Re: Stevens 414 Armoury Model (x2)
Reply #1 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 8:11am
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I've had 69040 for quite som etime, it has been "parker rifled" (relined by A. G. Parker) in the 1930's and shoots beautifully 

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but when I saw 74760 on a German auction site, I could not resist. The casehardening and bluing seemed original and very good. The gun was "cheap" (less than $300) and it had "alternative" sights which I wanted badly...

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I believe that the sights alone are worth more than the gun is (they are to me anyway, as I have great hope they will be better on the range than the original 414 ones...)
  
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Re: Stevens 414 Armoury Model (x2)
Reply #2 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 8:13am
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Those are very nice; especially the case hardened example! $300 dollars for that rifle is unheard of!!!
It is rare to find them in that condition here, so it's surprising to see them that well preserved there in Europe.

The receiver aperture sight on your nickeled version is often missing on the 414s that one can find here.

Also, the Lyman tang sight on the second one is rare and the windage adjustable stem is worth a lot of money on this side of the Atlantiqué; much more than what you paid for the entire rifle!
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 8:42am
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there is a catch though... the casehardened exemple has had "homemade" scope rings installed, and the wood cut out to make space, so "collector" value has disappeared. I'll have to deinstall those horrible rings and hope the barrel bluing has not been irremediably damaged  Undecided

but yes, I thought the deal was a bargain at €288 (which I loosely translated into $300).

there are plenty of good deals to be had in Germany yet  Smiley (and even moreso when you compare the prices with those in France)
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 11:24am
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288 Euros is $341 US dollars. Still a fantastic bargain!
  

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Reply #5 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 1:41pm
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Thanks for the additional pictures.

*  I kinda like those "homemade" dovetails.  I'd leave 'em on the rifle.  Maybe try to find a scope that will fit 'em.

*  The case hardening pattern is correct original for a Savage-era gun.  Very rare to see one so well preserved in the homeland.  

*  That price is indeed a heck of a steal!  

* Nobody seems to have liked the factory receiver sight very much.  Yet I  seem to remember reading that an American team took stock 414s to Europe in the '30s and won some major tournament, so they can't have been too awful bad!
  

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Reply #6 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 2:40pm
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Stevens 414 ads
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 25th, 2020 at 4:22pm
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You see various claims and years being repeated about the 414 and the Olympics. The fact seems to be that in the 1912 summer Olympics an American, Frederick Hird, took a Gold in the first appearance of the 50 meter rifle, prone event held on Thursday, July 4. The American team, of which he was a member, received Bronze medals for the 25 meter team small-bore rifle match held on Friday, July 5, and the 50 m team small-bore rifle match held on Wednesday, July 3. At 25 meters, the American team scored 881 to Sweden's 925 and Britain's 917 and at 50 meters the American team scored 744 to Britain's 762 and Sweden's 748. 4 nations competed at 25 meters and 6 at 50 meters. In the 25 meter singles match (any position, disappearing targets, up for 3 seconds down for 5), Sweden came in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. High US was Hird in 8th place of 36 entrants. The 50 meter team match was prone but this was reported "In Olympic Shooting, Crossman described the results of this match as follows, “The Americans had not trained especially for the 50-meter prone team match, but they had some hopes of winning with their Stevens M414 single-shot, falling-block rifles. They soon found the sights inadequate. The rules specified the prone position for this match, with no artificial support. The officials ruled that the ground was obviously not artificial and that the shooters therefore could rest their rifles on the ground. Strangely, only the Swedish team seemed to know about this, and they took full advantage of the knowledge, resting both the left hand and forearm and the butt of the rifle on the firing line. The English raised quite a fuss about this, but lost and went on to win by shooting ability, 762 to the Swedes’ 748, with the United States four points behind, for a third out of the six teams." Interesting that the matches were held in Stockholm, Sweden;-) The only two of these matches to survive in the next Olympics (1920 - 1916 was, of course, cancelled) were the 50 meter individual and team ones which were now "standing" and the US cleaned house. No mention of their rifles but it appears that all the members of the rifle team were military. With some more research I found this link to a report by a Dutch competitor: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links);
It is quite interesting and mentions Winchesters.
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Re: Stevens 414 Armoury Model (x2)
Reply #8 - Oct 26th, 2020 at 3:15am
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I'll take a picture of the scope rings, and you'll see why I want them gone... they are rough filed and crooked...  Undecided (which I had not seen on the auction picture... my eyes were fixed on the Lyman sights and the general condition of the gun  Smiley)

It might be my 50 years old eyes, but the original sight and rocky mountain front are not the best possible combination for target shooting. They are excellent for iron plate or silhouette though. 

many thanks to all for the additionnal informations on the 414.
  
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Re: Stevens 414 Armoury Model (x2)
Reply #9 - Oct 26th, 2020 at 7:40am
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Didn't anyone ever make a better replacement receiver sight specifically for the 414?

Also, if the bright parts of the earlier 414 really are nickel plated (rather than nicely polished "white"), and if the plating is factory rather than an English "improvement". that's a very rare rifle.
                                                                                                               
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Reply #10 - Oct 26th, 2020 at 11:54am
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Here is the rear sight on my 414. I have had this rifle for 30 years and this sight was installed when I received. Not sure which model it is.
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 26th, 2020 at 12:33pm
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That's a nice sight; but it doesn't fit into the original cut-out or use the original mounting screw.  In other words, what I'm looking for is a "drop-in" replacement for the factory sight.

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Reply #12 - Oct 26th, 2020 at 1:31pm
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I honestly can't say if the receiver of 69040 is nickeled or polished in white... I'd bet for nickel as it does not show any sign of rust, only slightly tarnished on the under tang (is that the right way to say it?)

However, even if I was 100% certain of a nickel finsh, there is no way to know if it is original to the gun or if it was refinished in England in the 30's... 

May be the proof marks might give me a hint under a macroscope (to know if they were struck before or after the nickel finish ?
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 26th, 2020 at 10:35pm
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To my knowledge they were never nickel plated. Blued or case hardened depending on date of manufacture.
  
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Re: Stevens 414 Armoury Model (x2)
Reply #14 - Oct 26th, 2020 at 10:49pm
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And can we presume that once Savage took Stevens over that the days of special order guns was no more?

Also, the point about proof marks is well made.  Specifically, would the gun have been proofed both before and after it was sleeved (I'm assuming that it arrived in England as-new)?

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