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Reply #15 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 12:48am
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Westerner, I love your rifle, but I was wondering if you have to cook it before you shoot it? 
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Reply #16 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 3:59am
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It's safe. July here, no fire needed now. Keeping it where I can admire it.   Wink
  

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Reply #17 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 4:31am
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Very cool rifle and look forward to more tails on how it shoots  Smiley
  
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Reply #18 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 9:18am
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Gorgeous rifle, Joe; but I'd bet that buttplate soon plays havoc with the shooter's shoulder, even at 26-1/2 pounds.

Also. I agree that the lines suggest Whitmore's style.  The briefest of internet searches turned up this information about Whitmore:

Born at Mansfield, Mass., in 1829, and learned the trade in his father's shop. Worked for Sharps Rifle Co. and Remington. Died in Eastondale, Mass., in 1917.  Maker of heavy barrel, muzzle loading, percussion, target rifles with set triggers.

Several of the Whitmore guns I've seen have been quite fancy, especially for target guns.  In fact, if I remember correctly, his most famous gun is a superb cased and accessorized rife that was gifted to Gen. Grant; it's now in the Smithsonian, I believe.

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Reply #19 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 10:13am
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Thanks for the additional photos.Cool old rifle.
  
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Reply #20 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 12:45pm
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Bill, sure you're not referencing Nathaniel Whitemore? 

There was more than one Whitmore and one Whitemore.

I'm not going by lines but rather details in rifling profile, trigger and trigger guards and pipes. I have a marked Whitmore rifle to compare this one to. In Ned Roberts book is illustrated a similar rifle to my marked Whitmore. Ned lists it as, "N Angel". 

Trying to nail down the makers of unmarked pieces can be very frustrating. To add to the frustration is the "Webster" stamped under N Whitmore. Owner? Dealer?

If the rifle was held to the shoulder at all, it was placed at the junction of the shoulder and bicep.  Same as an offhand Schuetzen rifle.



  

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Reply #21 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 7:00pm
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Sorry, Joe, you wrote "Whitmore" and the one I referred to is the one who made the gun for Grant and otherwise seems the most remembered.  Never heard of a "Whitemore", for what that's worth.

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Reply #22 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 7:16pm
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I've also seen a Nathaniel L Whitmore.   

Text from, American Firearms Makers, by A Merwyn Carey.

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Reply #23 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 7:36pm
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I wonder if Whitemores Grant rifle is still in the Smithsonian?
  

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Reply #24 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 9:26pm
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How does that flat-base picket ball work with a cloth patch?  I thought that was part of the reason for swaging the base to be hemispherical.



  
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Reply #25 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 9:49pm
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The picket ball era was a smorgasbord of invention and experimentation. All sorts of shapes being tried. Some round base some bevel base and many flat base. 

So far I've tried washed .015 linen and unwashed .010 linen. Both shot well. The washed linen had damage to the base area but no leakage past the bullet.

No damage to the unwashed linen. The unwashed being much stiffer fabric. Unlike a round ball the square base seals the bore better. The false muzzle has a tapered entry area so no problem loading.

Next plan is to try different length paper strip and Chase patched conical bullets. Flat base and hollow base.
  

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Reply #26 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 10:32pm
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Poor Joe; this is obviously getting to you, but I'll try again.

Whitmore, not Whitemore, made Grant's gun.  I rather suspect "Whitemore" is someone's typographical error.

At various times, Nathaniel John Whitmore used the stamps "Nathaniel J. Whitmore", "N. Whitmore", and "N. J. Whitmore" - i.e., they're all the same person.

Finally, to give you an even bigger headache, the stamp "N. & N. G. Whitmore" is the father-son team of Nathaniel John and Nathaniel Gilbert.

But don't worry so much about it; just enjoy your really great rifle.

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Reply #27 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 11:48pm
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You have given me hope, Joe.  I have a .43 Brockway, false muzzle & all, with a great mould that casts good looking flat-base bullets,but it came with a swage to make the bases hemispherical.  I've never been able to get an undamaged bullet out of the swage, so I've never shot it.  Now I can shoot without all that swage trouble.

It's a back-burner, so it will be very fussy as to load.
  
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Reply #28 - Jul 28th, 2020 at 4:33pm
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The bullet pictured earlier in this thread, is from a mold I re-cut. I picked the wrong mold to re-cut and didn't do a very good job doing it. Got the diameter correct for a linen patch however. 

I made the bullet longer than the typical picket bullet of long ago to get more bearing surface. The rifle shoots the lumpy out of round bullet surprisingly well with no tipping. 

Sounds like you have a great outfit, Waterman.  Going to post pictures?

My old friend Ted Thoreson told me that a picket bullet can be extremely accurate once you get everything down prefect. Told me they like to be pushed hard and fast.
  

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Reply #29 - Jul 28th, 2020 at 5:40pm
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WATERMAN,I'll second the photo request.
  
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