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Reply #15 - Jul 20th, 2020 at 1:15pm
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beltfed wrote on Jul 20th, 2020 at 9:08am:
CBA shooter,
My "Lifetime supply of 4759" is not all that large
at my age of 78.
I also have a legal design powder "magazine" for
proper storage of what I do have.
beltfed/arnie


I need to design a Powder Magazine for sure.
I have an embarrassing amount powder and primers. I'm 54 years old so I hope I have many years of shooting left.
  
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Reply #16 - Jul 20th, 2020 at 2:35pm
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Hiwall55 wrote on Jul 20th, 2020 at 7:33am:
Ditto for Gregs post, I dont shoot much smokeless, but for 5744 loads I use buffalo rifle powder.


Thanks Greg. I think I will give it a try.

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Reply #17 - Jul 20th, 2020 at 2:42pm
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Thank you GT I missed it being posted prior to my the question.
  

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Reply #18 - Jul 20th, 2020 at 2:53pm
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JLouis wrote on Jul 20th, 2020 at 12:02pm:
This is a Powder I haven't had any success with and for those of you who have and still are what are you using this powder for.


In my experience 5744 needs to be loaded to 25,000 psi or higher.  I burned a couple of pounds of it in a .35 Remington levergun, in the mid 1990s.  Believed the hype, didn't know any better.

Still having some in inventory, I tried it again about five years ago in a 7.5x55 Swiss K31, with a very hard bullet at 2300 fps.  Was OK but other powders did better.
  

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Reply #19 - Jul 20th, 2020 at 5:27pm
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I was told to get a complete burn you had to have your pressures up there too.   With my loads running on the low side, (Pressure Trace is giving me pressures identical to a Black powder load) I get some un-burned powder kernels left in the bore, some folks seem to worry about that, to date, including Friday evening, the best groups I have ever shot with the above mentioned cartridges at 500 yards has been with my loads of 5744.  The Lovex isn't quite there yet but I'm working on it.
  

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Reply #20 - Jul 20th, 2020 at 10:15pm
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5744 and 4759 have been my best powders in 45-70. I have always had unburnt powder with each of them, and it never bothered me as long as the "proof was on the paper".  The loads are 22 gr of 4759 with a 500 gr bullet and 23 gr of 5744 with a 500 gr bullet. I also get excellent results with 23 gr of either powder and a 420 gr bullet. The velocities are black powder equivalent, roughly.
I have been working with it recently as a replacement for 4759 in my 38-55, results are promising but not the equal of 4759 so far. 
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Reply #21 - Jul 20th, 2020 at 10:56pm
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I've had good success with 5744 in 45-70. Iron sight accuracy of course and if it shoots good I don't worry about the unburned powder. It works very well and burns clean in my newly acquired #5 Rolling Block in 7x57 with 175 gr. cast loads.

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beltfed wrote on Jul 19th, 2020 at 11:35pm:
Sure glad I have a lifetime supply of  4759


^^^ This ^^^  Also, I have a lifetime supply of H108, having bought the last two 6# jugs from Powder Valley many years ago.  Using the 4759 for my offhand high wall and the H108 for my Peregrine bench gun, I should be supplied until I start taking harp lessons! Wink

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Reply #23 - Jul 23rd, 2020 at 4:39pm
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H-108 is a very good powder and back when it was being closed out we were getting it straight from Chris Hodgdon for $50.00 an 8# Jug delivered at the time.
  

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Reply #24 - Jul 23rd, 2020 at 6:17pm
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JS47 wrote on Jul 20th, 2020 at 10:56pm:
I've had good success with 5744 in 45-70. Iron sight accuracy of course and if it shoots good I don't worry about the unburned powder. It works very well and burns clean in my newly acquired #5 Rolling Block in 7x57 with 175 gr. cast loads.

JS


A banned shooter shattered one of M Petrov's Low Number 1903 Springfields in .30-06 using a similar but slightly hotter load and cast bullets.  He posted a pic of his face after the shot.  Shooting glasses saved his eyes.  Search on the Single Barrel forum.   

I'd use the stuff, but only in a straight case, and maybe only in a High Wall or a Hepburn.
  
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Reply #25 - Jul 23rd, 2020 at 6:30pm
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My immediate suspicion is over charge.  Double charge is just possible in the 7.5x55 case I was playing with, and ditto the .30-06.  Blame the powder only to the extent that it's dense, and also that it doesn't flow well in some meters.
  

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Reply #26 - Jul 23rd, 2020 at 6:43pm
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I and a couple others guys have been using it for cast bullet loads in .308 Win, works pretty well. Venturino thinks it the greatest since sliced bread for shooting cast bullets in the US military 30 cals.
  
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Reply #27 - Jul 23rd, 2020 at 6:56pm
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Maybe this incident ?

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Reply #28 - Jul 23rd, 2020 at 7:38pm
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Ugh.   More bandwidth wasted speculating on S.E.E. myth.  Which has been reproduced in a lab, and it turns out to be an event requiring high aspect ratio jacketed bullets and a slow powder that's hard to light.  Which 5744 isn't.   

Either the badly heat treated action finally let go, or more likely he overcharged that round.   

My .05 worth and I'm sticking to it.
  

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Reply #29 - Jul 23rd, 2020 at 7:45pm
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uscra112 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2020 at 6:30pm:
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My immediate suspicion is over charge.  Double charge is just possible in the 7.5x55 case I was playing with, and ditto the .30-06.  Blame the powder only to the extent that it's dense, and also that it doesn't flow well in some meters.


I have several folks that I shoot with that have all kinds of theories about this smokeless and it should never be used!  First off,  Phil is correct  that it doesn't flow well through MOST metering devices and with a low load density and a chance for bridging, it's a process looking for a train wreck - not necessarily a double charge but definitely more than expected- been there once, changed my ways.  I use a Belding and Mull with a load tube that I can actually see the charge.  Even after all the charges are placed I still do a visual inspection before setting a bullet.  I don't use any fillers or cards, someone had a write up about this and similar powders and they had some facts backing their theory, pressure tracking devices and such, it wasn't just hearsay and opinions.
   
I have used it in '06 and 30-40 cases capped with cast bullets, my results for these were marginal, but that was just my experiences.  I know a few folks that have excellent results with it and I haven't beat their scores yet with my alternatives, so that says something.
I also have real strong opinions about some of the folks that reload, they land right next to my opinions of some of the folks that drive 5000# automobiles, they shouldn't.  But my opinions and the law don't always coincide Sad  (short rant - I'm done!).
  

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