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breech seater for a CPA in 32-40
May 12th, 2020 at 10:06pm
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Hello I am new to this form and new to schuetzen. I was going to order a Russ webber breech seater, but I see that he is no longer with us.  So i am looking for a supplier for my new CPA rifle  in 32-40
  
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Reply #1 - May 12th, 2020 at 11:07pm
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Call CPA, they make plugged case seaters.  A 44 1/2 block will cam the seater to breech seat the bullet
  
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Reply #2 - May 13th, 2020 at 8:13pm
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I have the plugged case, but it didn't seem to push in by hand far enough to cam it in,didn't want to damage the case or rifle
  
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Re: breech seater for a CPA in 32-40
Reply #3 - May 13th, 2020 at 8:25pm
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Just give it a light tap.  You will be fine.
  
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Reply #4 - May 13th, 2020 at 9:04pm
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i will give it a try, i don't have anything to hit it with right now
  
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Re: breech seater for a CPA in 32-40
Reply #5 - May 13th, 2020 at 11:43pm
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You need a mechanical seater. Only person I know making seaters like you need is bpjack. He's stuck at home for the next year so there's no reason he can't make you one. I'll probly get in trouble for telling you that so don't tell anyone I told you.
  
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Reply #6 - May 14th, 2020 at 12:14am
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I have only been making High Wall seaters with a caming disk. I have not started making any for sale though but I may someday.  I have no knowledge of the CPA type. 

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Reply #7 - May 14th, 2020 at 10:13am
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If you don't need a lot of force to seat the bullet you can make up something pretty easily.   I use a fireformed case and fit a short piece of brass rod to the inside. Make it short enough so that it can side into the case and leave room for your bullet to fit into the case too.   Drill and tap one end to take a 1/4-20 bolt.  Then drill out the primer pocket to the diameter of the bolt.  Then you can use a couple of nuts jammed together to adjust the seating depth.   

To use it, stick a bullet into the seater.  Put the seater into the chamber.  Push on the bolt with something like a Klein nut driver to fully seat the bullet.  Sometimes I just use a chunk of leather to push the bolt forward, but you can't apply a lot of Force that way.

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Reply #8 - Sep 5th, 2020 at 11:43pm
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2 weeks ago I took the The CPA rifle to the range for the first time.  I am the 2nd owner but it's new unfired, set up for scope only.
I had preloaded 50 cases with a few different loads with wads.
  The gun came with an assortment of bullets. I picked the 322 dia. 1-24 bullets , It was a lot of effort to get the bullet in far enough  to use the setting plug.   Besides the loading problem the 32-40 is a real pleasure to shot. The last several yrs I have been mostly shooting .22 single shot and the center fire is collecting dust. So it is possible to load with a plugged case but I would still like a bullet seater.                                                 
**    So I am looking for a detailed drawing of a weber style seater, I know a few machinist and hopefully one will make it for me.
  
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Re: breech seater for a CPA in 32-40
Reply #9 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 11:42am
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I have an original 44 1/2 that I had rebarreled into a 25/35 for hunting.  John Louis got my interest up in breech seating for it so I tried to seat one of my tapered bullets for my 25-20 SS.  No luck, same as you couldn't get it in far enough to seat with a plugged case.  Then somebody mentioned here a month or so ago that he shot next to Paul Shuttleworth who was using TWO plugged cases, a starter and a finisher.  I got some 1/2" dowel and cut one flush with my brass to use first then use the second to fully engage the base of the bullet into the rifling.  Problem solved.  If it is good enough for Mr Shuttleworth than who am I to question the practice.  Tom
  
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Reply #10 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 12:17pm
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And, the starter case doesn't even have to be full length.
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 6:42pm
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Yes I had thought of using more than one plugged case , and could be a temporary solution. The seater is I think the way to go it takes the ware and tare off the action . It turns loading into one smooth efficient action, though I only know this from YouTube.
The 2 nearest schuetzen clubs to me are southern ct. and the south shore of ma. , I was suppose to go and watch then the covid thing hit. The Old Colony Club is preferred as i am staying in state ,but its about a 125 miles each way.
  
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Reply #12 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 9:21pm
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This is only a thought, but you can check if there are barrel specs under the forearm, and see if there is something that came in the bullet stash that might fit the groove a bit different, and maybe shoot a little different?
  
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Re: breech seater for a CPA in 32-40
Reply #13 - Sep 7th, 2020 at 12:30am
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This is a reasonable solution for a bullet seater can be made by using a fired case and drilling out the primer pocket to allow a short cleaning rod to pass through.

Then file off the needle of a cleaning jag and screw it on just like if using a case for a bore guide.  This generally allows enough force to start the bullet enough to use a plugged case even if the bullet is not tapered.

If using a tapered or soft enough bullet, a stop ring type collet can be added. A slight bend in the rod clears the hammer.

I have also enlarge the primer pocket enough on a filled case type plugged seater to accept a cleaning rod with a rounded tip to push the case.

Works pretty well on Model 44’s where the block doesn’t roll forward.
  
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Re: breech seater for a CPA in 32-40
Reply #14 - Sep 7th, 2020 at 11:45am
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You might try Willis Gregory for a mechanical seater he goes by singleshot on this site. I believe this is a picture of his seaters and he might be able to make one for yourself.

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