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Jan 7th, 2020 at 3:04am
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I much prefer to hunt with a Mauser or Springfield bolt rifle.  Did have occasion to stop in Colorado once to shoot a Prairie Dog with my Ballard 25-20SS. Had some BP experimental ammo with me. It was on a trip home from a match at Grand Junction.  Saw a big Prairie Dog town out there on the prairie a ways. Parked near a gate along the interstate and off we went to bag us a dog. I spied a big fat one out there about two hundred yards away. My rifle was sighted for that distance at the match.  Laid down and rested the Ballard on my rolled up shooting mat. Had a twenty power Lyman Super Target Spot on the rifle. When I laid the cross hairs on that dog, everything was crystal clear.  Wind was blowing right to left so I held over what I thought was just right and let one fly. It's amazing how much BP smoke that little shell makes. A full case of FFF under a 111 grain Pope style bullet. Well, it seemed as though time slowed down the instant the powder lit. Chuck told me he could see that bullet make a big arc toward that trophy dog. Then all the sudden he clutched his chest, did two complete spins like a bowling pin, then he wobbled and put a paw on his brow and fell over backwards in a puff of prairie dog town dust. Kicked three times and it was over, I had my dog. It was a great day, one I'll never forget. That was the only time I ever hunted with a single shot. Memories, I get a little misty.
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Yup, thanks for the great story from out in the field. Sadly, while I'll have a trusty single shot 22lr or two along, I finally decided to cobble up a truck gun semi auto for spring gophers. I used to eat them by the bushel until I found out they were high in cholesterol. Ah, the good ole days from last spring. Maybe, I'll drag a single shot out for winter coyotes and see if I can get a poke at one fairly close up, but I'll probably have a bolt rifle near by.
  
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But they're high in cholesterol, too;-)
  
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If youra gonna eat em, ya havta shoot them skinny ones -- more sporting and better test of your rifle and ammo. Kinda like little grass-fed beefs.  Wink
  
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The daily limit here is something like ten thousand, I think. Most guys limit themselves, not for conservation reasons, but limited to  the amount of ammo they can carry or afford to shoot. They sometimes bring home the tails- I guess because they are the choice cut for eating.
  
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calledflyer wrote on Jan 8th, 2020 at 4:27pm:
The daily limit here is something like ten thousand, I think. Most guys limit themselves, not for conservation reasons, but limited to  the amount of ammo they can carry or afford to shoot. They sometimes bring home the tails- I guess because they are the choice cut for eating.


Anyone can go out and kill ten thousand with a new fangled repeating rifle. A true sportsman takes just one with a obsolete single shot, with obsolete scope  chambered in an under powered obsolete caliber. Uses black powder and does it with one shot. I'll never forget it. It was a chance of a lifetime for me. As I've already said, the memories, I get a little misty. Brings back memories of my old shootin pard, Chuck.  Dang!
  

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He's staring at you and thinking, 'if Joe tells me that damn story one more time, I'm gonna slap him.'
  
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Travel to matches all over the country for thirty years with a shooting buddy, you hear the same story many many times.  Ole Chuck will forgive me. 

  

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A beautiful and well told story, Joe. I'm surprised that you didn't tell the rest of it though. You know, the part where when you paced off the distance to the old chuck you found him sprawled on the finest piece of red agate you'd ever found;-)
  
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oneatatime wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 7:14pm:
A beautiful and well told story, Joe. I'm surprised that you didn't tell the rest of it though. You know, the part where when you paced off the distance to the old chuck you found him sprawled on the finest piece of red agate you'd ever found;-)


oneatatime, the range was 200 yards. He was a big dog at twelve pounds. Chuck had his fish scale and range finder with him.
  

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My uncle owned a 160 acre combination dairy farm and also planted corn for people as well as the cows and hay. I asked him one year if it would be ok to come up and shoot some wood chucks. Ok bring plenty of ammo was his reply. Was staying with another aunt and asked if I could stay with her when I came up. Ok on that one. Had a little Rem 788 in 222. Extremely accurate with IMR 4198,Rem brass,rem 7.5 copper primers and a Sierra 53 grain hollow point. Called everyone to let them know I was coming and brought some extra food so my aunt wouldn't have to spend extra. Stop off at the aunts place gave her the food and over to my uncles. He hated wood chucks a with a passion and a cow can break a leg stepping into a chuck hole.Then has to kill it and butcher them. get out in the field by the barn. Big hole. Decide to find a spot and dummy down. Sitting there for an hour when finally up pops MR. Wood chuck. he senses something wrong back down the hold. Does this twice more. My uncle is coming with his tractor a I follow along side to hopefully fool the chuck.  About 1/2 hour up he pops. Boob was like watching a bag of jelley slide back down the hole. This went on all day. 10 critters met their maker. And for my uncle, brand new Stevens 340 in 222. He made a saddle leather scabbard and that stevens went with him. Came back the next day and got 9 more. One of his buddies became curious about the gunshots so we told him we were shooting wood chucks. Don't get me wrong as there was plenty of misses. Funny thing one guy called my uncle to see if I'd come over his place to shoot chucks. wasn't in the cards as had to be back to work in 3 days. Total was 100 wood chucks. Those days are long gone now. My uncle never lost a cow due to a broken leg that whole summer. Sorry for the long story. All of the aunts and uncles are long gone so just the cousins are left. Frank
  
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I had an uncle that hated rock chucks.  He had a rock pile on a dry hill in the middle of the field.  Those little buggers would mow about 2 acres of alfalfa around that rock pile.  He was just a quarter mile south of us. We blazed away at them with .22s. WE got one once in a while. 

There was a guy that came down the canal bank once in a while while in the evening while we were milking. He would shoot across the hood of hi s pickup.  About a 200 yard shot.  I always wondered what kind of a rifle he had.   Undecided
  

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I would never doubt the truth of Joe's story. The only question I have is where would a 12 pound prairie dog rank in the Boone and Crockett records? Must be pretty near the top!

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I think it came in around third on the B&C, but there's rumour of a twenty-four pounder that'll top the next Pope and Young. Ah, never mind.
  
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Don't know how this one would rank, but one of the golf courses over in Reno has some that are about twice the size.
  
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I's no wonder you all wear knee high boots!
  

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rkba2nd wrote on Feb 17th, 2020 at 11:10pm:
I's no wonder you all wear knee high boots!


Obviously you've not hunted trophy Prairie Dogs in Colorado. 
  

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I cant usually find enough pieces to tell much about it.Richard
  
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Correction, 12 pounds 111 grains.
  

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Your absolutely correct Westerner, I have never HUNTED Prairie Dogs in Colorado, or anywhere else for that matter. I have, on the other hand, shot more than I care to admit, but for various reasons, have not for a very long time. I have shot(give me time to put on my chest high waders) a Yellow Bellied Marmot, aka, Rock Chuck, at the base of Mt. Shasta, near the town Of Weed, in California, that would dwarf the previous photograph of a deceased Groundog. It weighed, on a certified scale, 16lbs 13oz. 
And please, no snide remarks, regarding the town I mentioned. Look it up on a map. This again was long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far, away.
  

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Slept in a caboose near Weed a couple times. Wonderful country there. Passed through many many times. 

16 pounds. A whopper I think?  Huh
  

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I, too, slept in a caboose in, I recall, Shasta. Could have been where Joe was. But, the large 'chucks I was referring to over at the golf course in Reno are actually Golden Marmots. And, they really are big- first time I spotted one driving by on the street, I thought it was a cocker spaniel. True statement. But,....
I've been to Weed, Ca. Who takes certified scales varmint hunting?
  
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calledflyer - Probably someone somewhere, but I thought it was bigger than average, so drove to the town of Mt. Shasta where my grandparents lived, and where I slept in my grandfathers plumbing shop, and weighed it on a scale of a friend of his, who owned the grocery store across the street. I was told that I had to put it in a plastic bag first. In all fairness, I didn't subtract the weight of the bag. I must also add, that none of the patron witnesses were  impressed, and I am sure weighed their produce on another scale. Later that day, in the Veterans Club, I was treated to a few backslaps and beers from gramp's pals. News travels fast in a small town.
  

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Westerner - Yes, it is beautiful country, and I spent a lot of time there in my younger years. Had also thought of living there when I retired, but by that time the California that I knew, sadly, no longer existed. Change is not always good!!! I have to say that that area has not been as affected as the large population areas of the state. Had I known you then, you could have slept in Gramp's shop!!
  

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I TOO SHOT THOSE SAME p-DOGS...THEY WERE A SUB SPECIES WHITE TAILED p-DOGS......ENDANGERED AT THE TIME..WONDERED WHY THEY WERE SO STUPID BUT HAMMERED THEM REAL WELL I RAN CAT DOWN THERE AND KEPT AT THIS EASY TO GET P-DOGS WITH ZERO PRESSURE TILL I LEARNED THEY WERE PROTECTED!!!!!!!! LATER BACK HOME I RAN ADDS IN bp CARTRIDGE NEWS FOR bpcr P-DOG HUNTS AND NOT ONE SOUL EVER CALLED OR E-MAILED ME SO VERY SADLY I CLOSED THAT PART OF GUIDING DOWN...…...
  
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Reply #26 - May 25th, 2020 at 9:52pm
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Joe, 
I had to revive your thread, we made it out and about today with my Ugly Ballard in tow.  It earned it's keep, not a real high percentage of hits but that's mostly due to the jerk on the trigger... Here's a photo of one that the Sig told me was 106 yards, had a few more witnessed hits at around 152 yards but we didn't inspect the carnage.  Breezes were gusting 10 - 15 mph most of the hits came while shooting with a tailwind - sideways had a tough time locating the misses.
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Nice shootin GT!  You got a whopper! When you do something you really follow through. 

Sig, I bought a range finder off fleabay today. Been wanting one for a long long time. The price of a Sig cuts perty deep in my wallet so opted for this model. Can get by with it till I save up enough money for a fancy range finder. Those Sigs are nice.

I got the 300 foot model. Two pulls and I'm at 200 yards.  Bout 32 bucks.

Funny how they clutch their chest like that. You must have hit him square.
  

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One of these range finders would be handy Joe   Cheesy

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Great picture Greg, that ground cover doesn't look too grown over so far. Beaut of a rifle, you should have picked something that was a little tougher to swing out of the truck window, give the little critters a decent chance.
  
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"I got the 300 foot model. Two pulls and I'm at 200 yards.  Bout 32 bucks."

Joe,  The one pictured would almost make the record books for size, most of our targets available were the latest hatch so targets were small.   
I graduated from that range finding method when the dual prisms became obsolete.  They were new technology to me Grin when I got them...
This Sig thing with a button on the top is truly a marvel  Wink  Mine is the first gen and I get a lot of looks with it but I can't tell any difference.  All joking aside, as far as price to value if you have a use for a range finder, the Sig has a couple of tiny drawbacks but mine gives me good consistent readings to 1800 yards, now all I need to do is get a little better with these irons to hit targets consistently at that distance...
Craig, when I resorted to the Ballard - things DID change! They were all waving white flags when I was shooting the super fast clang and bang weapon.  Ammo stores were depleting rapidly and there was still daylight...   Wink  -- We are getting some moisture but these little fella's are devastating the vegetation around their colonies, sagebrush look like bonsai trees and the colonies go on for miles.
  

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Gods country........

I'm better off with a tape measure. Big dog makes me get buck fever so bad my legs won't work and I babble and fumble. Saturday I set off my Pacific trying to decock it during the hunter match. Best I not drop a Sig.

No range close so will use the tape to measure out 200 yards in the wilds round here.
  

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Sure is great seeing activity in this thread again. Greg, that's a nice pup and a real neat rifle. Joe, the price you paid for the range finder was too much- the pawn shops must be full of them for lower prices. Now, all we need is one of our 'well known' members to tell us his favorite recipe for cooking these things.  Roll Eyes
  
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Here's a very traditional way:
Cooked Prairie dog

Prairie dog have been eaten by Navajo people for hundreds of years. Historically, Navajo people had a very lean diet of roots, herbs, nuts, lean meats and—when they could find it–fruits. The introduction of sheep, cattle and horses changed the way Navajos lived, worked, traveled, and ate. Prairie dogs are eaten still, but, Navajo families usually those who are very traditional, purposely plan a day set aside to hunt and cook prairie dogs. The hunting process long-ago involved a method of flooding prairie dogs colonies during a heavy rain and grabbing them and quickly breaking their neck. Or while the flooding of the prairie dogs holes was in the process, Navajo would stand at the opening with clubs and hit them over the head. One had to be quick and careful as prairie dogs have very sharp teeth. Today however, Navajo use a BB gun or 22 rifle. Once they prairie dog’s innards were removed, wild onion and herbs were placed inside the body. Next, a needle and thread was used to sew back the skin and the prairie dog was either placed and completely covered in white coals or directly grilled over an open fire. Once the fur was singed and the cooked prairie dog cooled, it was cut open and consumed. The taste is gamey, tender and some even say the liver and heart is their favorite part to eat.


  
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Yup, it’s not quite in the right spirit, but the clickity clacker makes for some fun, especially with ten clips ready to go. Gotta use a little brass catcher, part courtesy, part because it takes a while to dig empties out of the dash vents and other nooks and crannies.

I have a sig range finder in the bag, probably a junk one it ain’t no eighteen hundred yarder, but it doesn’t come out that often. I always have a single shot or two along, but can’t get enough of my favorite revolver out to seventy maybe eightyish yards. These little critters aren’t overly glamorous, but thanks for a fun update from the field.
  
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Oneatatime I have book dedicated to various Indian recipes. Might be you also have the same.
  

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"Gotta use a little brass catcher, part courtesy, part because it takes a while to dig empties out of the dash vents and other nooks and crannies."

Craig,
Funny that you mention that, the vents on the ole' "Stealth Ranger" are pert-near full of 22 brass.  There's a whistle when the defrost is on full or a wind-chime rattle when you're bouncing down a washboard gravel road...   Grin Grin Had to make a special nozzle for the shop vac to get a good cleaning once so I don't worry about it much now.  Think if this vehicle ever had to cross the northern border it'd be an item of suspicion... they questioned some empties on the floor boards of another rig I had...
  

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Reply #37 - May 26th, 2020 at 7:40pm
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Hey Greg,
     Is that a special patented “Forearm Attaching Device” on that Ballard?  The black goes well with the stripes in the Turkish walnut.
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Bnelson wrote on May 26th, 2020 at 7:40pm:
Hey Greg,
     Is that a special patented “Forearm Attaching Device” on that Ballard?  The black goes well with the stripes in the Turkish walnut.
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Bruce,
That is a special feature! it smooths out the vibrations in the barrel  Grin lengthens the "null" points...  Grin Grin Grin and if you believe that I have some real low priced Pope barrels to sell too, but hey, at least the wood comes close to fitting on this rifle.  Several don't even have the forend wood located.
  

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