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krg45-70 Participating Member Offline Posts: 30 Joined: May 21^st, 2014	Are these German proof marks Dec 10^th, 2019 at 9:03pm	Print Post
	Received this rifle today, am kinda excited to find out the origins of the rifle. Here are the proof marks on the barrel. Can someone give me a hand.


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krg45-70 Participating Member Offline Posts: 30 Joined: May 21^st, 2014	Re: Are these German proof marks Reply #1 - Dec 10^th, 2019 at 9:05pm	Print Post
	Sorry the pic is so large. Dont know how to fix.


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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Are these German proof marks Reply #2 - Dec 10^th, 2019 at 10:03pm	Print Post
	Actually, in this case the overly-large photo helps. And while I'm not Biggi, here's what I can say. They are German proof marks, as specified in the 1911-1912 revisions to the 1891 Proof Law. As expected, the barrel was proved in both its rough and finished state. The Crown-over-B indicates a black powder proof; the Crown-over-G indicates a rifled barrel; and the Crown-over-U is a general inspection stamp. What looks like B1. G. is actually BI. G. (damaged stamp?) and indicates a lead bullet proof, with 11 grams (approx. 165 grains) being the bullet weight. The other marks are beyond me but most likely relate to the powder charge used in the proofing. The rough-state charge would've been the stronger. Hope that helps. Bill Lawrence


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jfeldman ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1083 Location: Imperial Beach, Ca Joined: Nov 5^th, 2005	Re: Are these German proof marks Reply #3 - Dec 10^th, 2019 at 10:29pm	Print Post
	The 7.6 m/m over 46 indicates the caliber 8.15 X 46R. The 7.24 indicates the proof date (July 1924) and the 314 indicates the 314th gun proofed in July 1924. It is a very good target round quite similar to the U.S. 32-40. Regards, Joe


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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2057 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: Are these German proof marks Reply #4 - Dec 10^th, 2019 at 10:42pm	Print Post
	"BL.G. 11 grams" translates to lead bullet (Bleigeschoss) of 170 grains.


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 3912 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Are these German proof marks Reply #5 - Dec 11^th, 2019 at 1:08am	Print Post
	Nice pic. Let's see the rest of the rifle;-)


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gewehrfreund Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 437 Location: Cortland Joined: Jan 24^th, 2005	Re: Are these German proof marks Reply #6 - Dec 11^th, 2019 at 7:32am	Print Post
	It appears to have originally started out as a 5.3mm (~22 cal) barrel proofed in 1913, then rebored? to the 8.15x46R in 1924. I can't otherwise explain the 5.3mm and 1913 stamps.


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krg45-70 Participating Member Offline Posts: 30 Joined: May 21^st, 2014	Re: Are these German proof marks Reply #7 - Dec 11^th, 2019 at 7:30pm	Print Post
	Here is the rifle with extra barrel which is a 218 bee. Thank you so much gentleman for the info on the rifle. Wouldn't now what to do without this forum!


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 3912 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Are these German proof marks Reply #8 - Dec 12^th, 2019 at 12:31am	Print Post
	Thanks. Looks like quite the setup on an "Ideal" action.


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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Are these German proof marks Reply #9 - Dec 12^th, 2019 at 7:18am	Print Post
	Looks familiar--- Fred


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krg45-70 Participating Member Offline Posts: 30 Joined: May 21^st, 2014	Re: Are these German proof marks Reply #10 - Dec 12^th, 2019 at 8:05am	Print Post
	Is your rifle pictured a 8.15x46.Are there any books on this action?


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 3912 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Are these German proof marks Reply #11 - Dec 12^th, 2019 at 3:56pm	Print Post
	Here's an ad from a slightly later date and what it may look like from the other side:
	« Last Edit: Dec 12^th, 2019 at 4:09pm by oneatatime »

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 3912 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Are these German proof marks Reply #12 - Dec 12^th, 2019 at 4:10pm	Print Post
	Or could be a Frohn;-)


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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Are these German proof marks Reply #13 - Dec 13^th, 2019 at 9:21am	Print Post
	My rifle has a Nimrod action---very like the Ideal. The reduced size picture is not very clear to me but I think that this is also a Nimrod---one of the more rare actions according to Tom Rowes book. Mine is an 8.15 x x46R. Fred


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Reverend Al Oldtimer Offline Posts: 568 Location: Victoria BC Canada Joined: Jun 25^th, 2016	Re: Are these German proof marks Reply #14 - Dec 13^th, 2019 at 1:40pm	Print Post
	A bit of proof mark info if you'd care to look at it ... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

	I may have passed my "Best Before" date, but I haven't quite reached my "Expiry" date yet ...
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