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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Unusual Schuetzen Club Photo Oct 14^th, 2019 at 3:52pm	Print Post
	Here is something we don't see every day, eBay item # 264497745744, because of its size and because the club members are Czechs rather than Germans. The seller thinks it's an American club for several reasons, none of which is that the rifles shown are both later high-wall schuetzen models. Comments please. Bill Lawrence


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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2033 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: Unusual Schuetzen Club Photo Reply #1 - Oct 14^th, 2019 at 7:54pm	Print Post
	Nice Helm Schuetzen;


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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Unusual Schuetzen Club Photo Reply #2 - Oct 15^th, 2019 at 10:28am	Print Post
	Actually, I think they're both Helms. Bill Lawrence


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Unusual Schuetzen Club Photo Reply #3 - Oct 15^th, 2019 at 10:49am	Print Post
	I'd agree with the seller that it's likely an American image, although the people in it may be Czech or German. The guns being Winchester Helm models would be very odd to be found overseas. Neat image, and the size is great too. A serious Winchester 1885 collector would probably be happy to own it.

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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Unusual Schuetzen Club Photo Reply #4 - Oct 15^th, 2019 at 11:10am	Print Post
	The writing on the banner is Czech, not German, suggesting to me that if any club members considered themselves Bohemians, they were very nationalistic ones. And where's Biggi when we need her? Bill Lawrence


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45govt Full Member Offline Posts: 200 Location: Nevada City, CA Joined: Oct 10^th, 2009	Re: Unusual Schuetzen Club Photo Reply #5 - Oct 15^th, 2019 at 3:26pm	Print Post
	From Google Translate shooting championship price (prize)?? on 2 July of the year 1905 Svornost = Condord Sbor = Choir Not sure of anything else

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11420 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Unusual Schuetzen Club Photo Reply #6 - Oct 15^th, 2019 at 6:44pm	Print Post
	I say early Helm Pattern Winchesters. Based on, they are Helms. Early, serpentine double set lever style, barrel sights and the date of the photo, 1905. Round pistol grip cap on the one Bob shows is usually a late feature. I'm stickin to early rather than late. Late Helms but early Winchester Schuetzens. There.
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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2033 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: Unusual Schuetzen Club Photo Reply #7 - Oct 15^th, 2019 at 8:16pm	Print Post
	Y'all liked the first one so much, here's the other;


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11420 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Unusual Schuetzen Club Photo Reply #8 - Oct 15^th, 2019 at 9:30pm	Print Post
	The sellers write up was excellent I thought. Compared to so many bad ones seen.

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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 1183 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: Unusual Schuetzen Club Photo Reply #9 - Oct 15^th, 2019 at 11:31pm	Print Post
	This is one of the detail photos from the ebay site. I tried several filters using PhotoShop to enhance the detail and I'm fairly certain that flag on the right edge of the medal on the right, is an American flag. That's the viewer's right not the man in the photo. Also, those shoulder boards worn by some of the shooters appear to be US Army style from that era. Perhaps they were club officers?

	Randy W ASSRA 10211 - ISSA 125 There are indeed two Americas. Simply put, it is not the haves and have nots. The two Americans are in reality divided into those who do and those who don't.
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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Unusual Schuetzen Club Photo Reply #10 - Oct 16^th, 2019 at 12:27pm	Print Post
	By the way, since it's a silver gelatin print, the original will potentially have a level of clarity that only the best daguerreotypes better. That along with its size and its subject are what make it so special. Also, while I applaud Randy's computer skills, as the seller points out, only English speakers spell the a camera's output as "photo". Bill Lawrence


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Unusual Schuetzen Club Photo Reply #11 - Oct 17^th, 2019 at 10:23am	Print Post
	The Czech writing just means the club was likely a group of Czech immigrant shooters. I still think the seller is correct that it's an early 1900's American Schuetzen Club.

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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Unusual Schuetzen Club Photo Reply #12 - Oct 21^st, 2019 at 8:55am	Print Post
	I'll go a little further. I'd speculate that it is a early 20th century American club. If I were to guess i'd say probably Chicago or NYC. 40 Rod


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3846 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Unusual Schuetzen Club Photo Reply #13 - Oct 21^st, 2019 at 11:06am	Print Post
	The seller's description pretty much nailed it at New York City. He said the photographer, Klapper, did a lot of work with the Czech and German residents.


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