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Reply #15 - Sep 5th, 2019 at 9:09am
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My original Creedmoor 44-77 roller take a case with a .090 rim.  My research tells me that cases turned from bar stock will not hold up as well as formed cases will, so i have been reluctant to have some made.  I bought a couple of boxes of factory stuff that was advertised as for the 44-77 Remington and Sharps, but they have the thinner rims like the Sharps used. 

Sure would like to find a few cases of 44-77 or 43 Spanish with that .090 rim thickness.
  
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Reply #16 - Sep 5th, 2019 at 9:32am
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In my opinion, if you can chamber the cartridge, rim thickness shouldn't matter, since 44/77's headspace from the shoulder and not from the base. I have over 400 44/77 cases with an add-mixture of rim thicknesses, none of which have given me any problems.
"Others mileage may vary."
  

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Reply #17 - Sep 5th, 2019 at 10:22am
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OLReliable wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 9:32am:
In my opinion, if you can chamber the cartridge, rim thickness shouldn't matter, since 44/77's headspace from the shoulder and not from the base. I have over 400 44/77 cases with an add-mixture of rim thicknesses, none of which have given me any problems.
"Others mileage may vary."


That's mostly true. But I've found some donor cases actually had too thick a rim on the .43 Mauser cases I use. I have to turn them thinner to be able to fully close the breech block.
  

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Reply #18 - Sep 5th, 2019 at 10:38am
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marlinguy wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 10:22am:
OLReliable wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 9:32am:
In my opinion, if you can chamber the cartridge, rim thickness shouldn't matter, since 44/77's headspace from the shoulder and not from the base. I have over 400 44/77 cases with an add-mixture of rim thicknesses, none of which have given me any problems.
"Others mileage may vary."


That's mostly true. But I've found some donor cases actually had too thick a rim on the .43 Mauser cases I use. I have to turn them thinner to be able to fully close the breech block.

That's why I said "if you can chamber the cartridge" .....
  

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Reply #19 - Sep 5th, 2019 at 10:48am
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I have been playing with 375 H&H for the base brass its long enough for 44-90. The base is .512-513 so I turned the belt off made a few brass washers for the rim now I need to fire form them. I have 20 BACO brass made from 348 rims are bent to head space the base is turned to .513-.514 and drawn to length. On the 10 Winchester 375 cases I have that are made into 416 taylor  the rim is .528 X.048 so I made up a few washers with a .625 od X .085 thick with a .527X.050 step in it and pressed it on the rim with loctite stud and sleeve mount  and trimmed them up after pressing them on. I have 20 new 375 remington case and the base is .498 . 300 & 458 win mag is long enough to make 44-77. the thing I have not checked is case valum it may be down from the 348 made cases.   Ken
  
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Reply #20 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 10:50am
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I think it is a mistake to depend on the case head spacing on the shoulder, unless the bullet is set out far enough to engage the rifling before it is fire formed.  Pictured is an example.  The empty case is a .43 Spanish that is correct for my Rem. Creedmoor.  The loaded round is from a new box of ammo currently being loaded and sold online, which is stamped for the 44-77 Sharps,  but the shoulder is back .200 inches from what it should be, and the rim is .022 inches thinner than the .090 rim that Remington used.  I won't be shooting the loaded rounds in my Creedmoor as they are now.
  
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Reply #21 - Sep 26th, 2019 at 10:03pm
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I bought some of those , was going to  pull the bullets and powder and fireform  with some bullseye and cornmeal, as soon as I get my sharps back with a new barrel.
  
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Reply #22 - Sep 27th, 2019 at 8:34am
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The cases came from Jameson/Captech in that tapered configuration and they all have to be foreformed to generate the proper shoulder and final bottleneck shape.

One of our Club shooters loaded up a bunch of new J/C .44-77 cases for fireforming; black powder and lead bullets.  Rather than waste them shooting into a berm, he took them to a big match (Raton, IIRC) and won it with them.  Then he came back with the leftovers and cleaned everybody’s clock at the local BPCR Silhouette Match that month.

The fireforming obviously went very well.   Roll Eyes

I would just fire the loaded rounds at a target and see how they shoot.  You might be pleasantly surprised.
  
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Reply #23 - Sep 27th, 2019 at 3:42pm
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I am in the process of making 43 Spanish brass out of 300 winchester magnum cases.  If interested I will post where I am at so far.  Not hard to do.
  
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Reply #24 - Sep 27th, 2019 at 4:41pm
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From the little bit I have seen the Winchester brass is the. Brass to use
all I have measured is ..516 at the base the Remington and the others 
measure .505-.506 the brass I have is Winchester 375h&h Charlie show us what you have got Ken
  
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Reply #25 - Sep 27th, 2019 at 6:30pm
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Well here goes.  These cases might not be for a purist but I believe they will make good usable inexpensive cases.  I will go by my steps I have used and try to attach some pictures.
I purchased 300 Win. Mag cases from Graf's and Son on sale $20 per 50
Purchased snap rings from McMaster Carr for $6.35 per 50
Turned belt and head to .523 to fit rear of chamber.
Ran cases thru sizing die to form shoulder.  Cut end of sizing die off so long case can extend thru die.
I annealed case shoulder so I could blow it out with bullseye and cream of wheat
That is as far as I have got but will do the following.
Next step is to trim to length you want.  Blown out case is 2.600 long.
May have to ream neck for correct neck id for bullet being used.
place snap ring on case.  On my cases that provides almost .090 rim thickness and .625 rim OD. perfect for my rolling block.
Case will expand .010 max. on a side near head on first firing if pressure is high enough but should not move much after that.
 


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Reply #26 - Sep 27th, 2019 at 6:55pm
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After blown out
  
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Reply #27 - Sep 27th, 2019 at 6:56pm
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Snap rings used
  
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Reply #28 - Sep 27th, 2019 at 6:56pm
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Snap ring installed
  
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Reply #29 - Sep 27th, 2019 at 7:32pm
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