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Jul 17th, 2019 at 2:01pm
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Anyone  make  any 44-77 's from what parent case?
348 is too short ,so 50-110 Winchester? Any help would be appreciated.
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 17th, 2019 at 2:30pm
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Baco makes their 44-77 cases from the 348. The 50-110 is actually the parent case for the 348 but it was beefed up to contain the pressure of the smokeless loads. IMHO the 110 case would be a bit better to use to form 44-77 from as it would give you a bit more internal capacity, not that you really need any extra room in there. I know that with my fire formed Jamison brass I can easily drop 79 gr of Swiss 1.5 to the base of the neck. Lots of romp and stomp down range with a 480 gr gg bullet.
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Reply #2 - Jul 18th, 2019 at 6:02am
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Thanks Sam. That's the info I was looking for.
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 18th, 2019 at 10:53am
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348 is 2.25 long all the spec I see for 44-77/43 spanish is 2.25 long so why is it too short. next I have a old beat up 74 sharps I don't think the small rims of the 348/50-110 will work in my rifle Ken
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 18th, 2019 at 11:17am
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Ken, the rim thickness of a standard 348 case is about .064-.065. If your rim recess is cut deeper than that, BACO reforms the rims for the deeper rim cut.The rims end up looking a lot like Betrum 43 mauser cases and they may need to be set up and the thickness trimed down a wee bit. I have one of those reformed cases, I got it by accident and honestly I wasn't impressed with it. yes it would work but may need tinnkered with just a bit.  I have been lucky in that I have been able to pick up a good supply of 44-77 brass and I am keeping it all. It would be nice if someone would set up and make a run of it. I am sure it would not set on the slelves of the right dealers very long.
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Reply #5 - Jul 18th, 2019 at 11:40am
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I have 20 of the BACO 44-77 with the reformed head. with the small head diameter im my rifle I think the extractor wouldn't extract the case I may need to get a new extractor. ken
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 18th, 2019 at 1:20pm
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Ken when you fireform  a 33 caliber in a 44 caliber you will be at least .050 short.
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 18th, 2019 at 2:48pm
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I have a friend that owns or used to own a 44-77. He used if my memory is correct a .43 Spanish with the "A" base. they worked well for him. Reformed nice, not a lot and shot very well. He has not Shot for quite a while so do not  know if he still owns the Rifle. It was a Ballard with a replaced Barrel. HTH
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Reply #8 - Jul 18th, 2019 at 9:40pm
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Picked up 6 50-110 cases when I got 100 loaded 44-77's with brand new  Jamison brass.
Thanks for the replies.
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Reply #9 - Jul 19th, 2019 at 9:35pm
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I have a few BACO reformed .348 and they work pretty good in a Shiloh.  This brass has the head reworked and then is stretched to 2.25.
  
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Reply #10 - Jul 21st, 2019 at 10:39am
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All my cases are .43 Mauser, but they're tough to find these days too. I bought a bunch of loaded .43 Mauser from an estate sale and pulled bullets. Then trimmed and resized them for my Roller. But I also had to thin the rims slightly as they were too thick to allow the block to fully close.
  
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Reply #11 - Jul 22nd, 2019 at 2:16am
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Thanks Vall,I will be on the lookout for  those cases too. Not a problem to do the work to modify them.
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 22nd, 2019 at 10:38am
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They were easy to modify. I found they had deeper primer pockets and that made thinning the rims even easier. Chucked them in the lathe and turned the headstamp off to get them thinner. After that they fit, and primers were flush too.
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 22nd, 2019 at 3:53pm
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Yea Vall, you brought back my Memory. The guy I knew was using .43 Mauser. He had a bit of a Headspace problem. He made a Die and punch and set up in a Arbor press and put them in and gave it a good press and made an "A" base head with a .01 proud step to take up the excess Head Space. He shot it a lot as it was a very nice rifle. I was always bothered though thinking about the step and wondering what that had done to the Case Head strength.
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Reply #14 - Jul 22nd, 2019 at 11:31pm
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OLD TUCK wrote on Jul 22nd, 2019 at 3:53pm:
Yea Vall, you brought back my Memory. The guy I knew was using .43 Mauser. He had a bit of a Headspace problem. He made a Die and punch and set up in a Arbor press and put them in and gave it a good press and made an "A" base head with a .01 proud step to take up the excess Head Space. He shot it a lot as it was a very nice rifle. I was always bothered though thinking about the step and wondering what that had done to the Case Head strength.
HTH regards, FITZ. OLD TUCK Smiley


Mine was the opposite issue on my original Remington #1 Sporter Fitz. Too thick a rim, so more headspace was needed, and thus a thinner rim.
  
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