Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 5 Send TopicPrint
Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block (Read 14018 times)
Yellowhouse
Full Member
***
Offline



Posts: 155
Location: Oklahoma
Joined: Mar 31st, 2008
Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block
Jan 22nd, 2019 at 7:25pm
Print Post  
I though I knew how to slug after much experience but this one has me scratching my head.   In gripping the slug with the jaws of the caliper I always have sought the middle of the groove (= greatest diameter and =groove diameter).  Doing this gives a reading of .368.  However, with this one as you rotate the slug within the jaws (seeking max) and approach the juncture of the groove and land the caliper reading consistently reads .373.

Do I accept .368 for groove or do I go for the largest reading =.373 as the basis for ordering a mold?

  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Premod70
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 873
Location: North Carolina
Joined: Jan 16th, 2016
Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block
Reply #1 - Jan 22nd, 2019 at 7:31pm
Print Post  
The number of riflings determine the reading, even numbers read opposing one another while the odd numbers require a measuring block and a good knowledge of math.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Chuckster
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 2312
Location: Colorado
Joined: May 15th, 2008
Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block
Reply #2 - Jan 22nd, 2019 at 11:18pm
Print Post  
Pope type grooves are the extreme of what you are seeing.
If looking for a groove diameter bullet, use the smaller and hope it bumps up.
Otherwise use the larger diameter.
Someone with Pope groove experience might have better suggestions.
Chuck
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
oldman46
Senior Forum Member
****
Offline



Posts: 424
Joined: Sep 21st, 2016
Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block
Reply #3 - Jan 23rd, 2019 at 12:57am
Print Post  
I have a 1928 98 mauser actutioned husky in 9.3x57 the barrel dimensons  are as follows land to land are .355-.356
Groove dimensions are .368-.369 a little off the beaten track don't you think. The throat goes like this .372-.373 and has the typical long freebore. Could almost size down a standard '375 dia 38-55 bullet go shoot. Frank
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
oneatatime
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 4465
Location: Rocky Mountains
Joined: Oct 30th, 2011
Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block
Reply #4 - Jan 23rd, 2019 at 1:12am
Print Post  
A caliper is not the best way to go, you need a real micrometer. You'll probably find that the groove diameter is more like .367 as it should be. There will also be an even number of lands/grooves so just measure straight across - land to land or groove to groove. Order 37-196B or 37-196BG or 37-175C from Accurate moulds. They all have the same nose profile. Tell him your alloy and whether you want it to cast .367, .368, or even .369.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
oneatatime
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 4465
Location: Rocky Mountains
Joined: Oct 30th, 2011
Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block
Reply #5 - Jan 23rd, 2019 at 1:17am
Print Post  
Oldman, that's not bad for a 9.3x57 Mauser. Mine is a small ring 98 that was barreled in Germany for Scandinavia and shoots any weight .366 - .367 Norma, DWM, RWS, Speer or Nosler bullets to the same spot. Amazing really.
« Last Edit: Jan 23rd, 2019 at 1:29am by oneatatime »  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Yellowhouse
Full Member
***
Offline



Posts: 155
Location: Oklahoma
Joined: Mar 31st, 2008
Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block
Reply #6 - Jan 23rd, 2019 at 9:10am
Print Post  
Premod70 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2019 at 7:31pm:
The number of riflings determine the reading, even numbers read opposing one another while the odd numbers require a measuring block and a good knowledge of math.


Has even number
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Yellowhouse
Full Member
***
Offline



Posts: 155
Location: Oklahoma
Joined: Mar 31st, 2008
Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block
Reply #7 - Jan 23rd, 2019 at 9:12am
Print Post  
oneatatime wrote on Jan 23rd, 2019 at 1:17am:
Oldman, that's not bad for a 9.3x57 Mauser. Mine is a small ring 98 that was barreled in Germany for Scandinavia and shoots any weight .366 - .367 Norma, DWM, RWS, Speer or Nosler bullets to the same spot. Amazing really.


Yes, thats the mold that I'm likely to get....

  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
marlinguy
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline


Ballards may be weaker,
but they sure are neater!

Posts: 18049
Location: Oregon
Joined: Feb 2nd, 2009
Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block
Reply #8 - Jan 23rd, 2019 at 11:16am
Print Post  
I agree with oneatatime that a pair of dial calipers is definitely not what you need for measuring bullet or slug diameter. Micrometers are the only way to go. I've always turned my slugs while adjusting the micrometer to see what the largest diameter is. I check bot groove to groove, and also corners of the grooves too. Then determine my bullet diameter based on both readings. If you're shooting BP the smaller of the two works fine, but with smokeless powders I prefer to size to the larger of the two readings.
  

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Yellowhouse
Full Member
***
Offline



Posts: 155
Location: Oklahoma
Joined: Mar 31st, 2008
Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block
Reply #9 - Jan 23rd, 2019 at 12:16pm
Print Post  
marlinguy wrote on Jan 23rd, 2019 at 11:16am:
I agree with oneatatime that a pair of dial calipers is definitely not what you need for measuring bullet or slug diameter. Micrometers are the only way to go. I've always turned my slugs while adjusting the micrometer to see what the largest diameter is. I check bot groove to groove, and also corners of the grooves too. Then determine my bullet diameter based on both readings. If you're shooting BP the smaller of the two works fine, but with smokeless powders I prefer to size to the larger of the two readings.


Well guys I've used both calipers and a micrometer and still get the same results.  I'll try to post pics of what I'm trying to describe this afternoon.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
oneatatime
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 4465
Location: Rocky Mountains
Joined: Oct 30th, 2011
Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block
Reply #10 - Jan 23rd, 2019 at 4:42pm
Print Post  
I think we know what you were saying - for that largest measure you are measuring from one edge of the raised portion of a bullet to the same edge on the opposite side of the bullet. What you want to do is measure from the top of the raised portion to the top of the raised portion on the opposite side. Remember that if your bullet starts at that diameter that the lead that was in the "grooves" of the fired bullet had to go somewhere - either into making the large diameter larger or forming tails on the rear of the bullet behind the grooves.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Yellowhouse
Full Member
***
Offline



Posts: 155
Location: Oklahoma
Joined: Mar 31st, 2008
Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block
Reply #11 - Jan 23rd, 2019 at 6:38pm
Print Post  
Pics
Here jaws are directly on top of groove
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Yellowhouse
Full Member
***
Offline



Posts: 155
Location: Oklahoma
Joined: Mar 31st, 2008
Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block
Reply #12 - Jan 23rd, 2019 at 6:41pm
Print Post  
Pic 2 Rotated slightly to near junction of land.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
svartkruttgris#369
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 2980
Location: Colorado, Norway, Sweden
Joined: Oct 28th, 2014
Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block
Reply #13 - Jan 23rd, 2019 at 7:49pm
Print Post  
Wide grooves with "flat" bottoms. Is such common?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
marlinguy
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline


Ballards may be weaker,
but they sure are neater!

Posts: 18049
Location: Oregon
Joined: Feb 2nd, 2009
Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block
Reply #14 - Jan 23rd, 2019 at 7:55pm
Print Post  
svartkruttgris#369 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2019 at 7:49pm:
Wide grooves with "flat" bottoms. Is such common?


It's exactly how Pope did his famous rifling.
  

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 5
Send TopicPrint