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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18049 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block Reply #45 - Jan 28^th, 2019 at 10:29am	Print Post
	Yellowhouse wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 9:00pm: FYI- this rifle is essentially a 38-55 with a 2.25 in long chamber and the smaller rim of the 9.3x57R. How did you turn down a 2.120" .38-55 case to use in a longer 2.25" chamber? Or did you mean you turned the rims down, and left them short chambered? My type 33 has a shorter chamber, so I trim standard .38-55 cases about .10" shorter to use. No rim trimming as the rims fit my barrel as is.

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4465 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block Reply #46 - Jan 28^th, 2019 at 11:26am	Print Post
	It wouldn't surprise me if they were Whitworth. Someone here was going to rebarrel one and maybe they will tell us what they found. Hey, Yellowhouse, how about shooting a squib load and recover the bullet and show us what the base looks like.


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Yellowhouse Full Member Offline Posts: 155 Location: Oklahoma Joined: Mar 31^st, 2008	Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block Reply #47 - Jan 28^th, 2019 at 1:52pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 10:29am: Yellowhouse wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 9:00pm: FYI- this rifle is essentially a 38-55 with a 2.25 in long chamber and the smaller rim of the 9.3x57R. How did you turn down a 2.120" .38-55 case to use in a longer 2.25" chamber? Or did you mean you turned the rims down, and left them short chambered? My type 33 has a shorter chamber, so I trim standard .38-55 cases about .10" shorter to use. No rim trimming as the rims fit my barrel as is. Sorry, I turned the rims down and thinned them about 8 thou on the inside. Therefore my brass are now only 5-6 thou too short


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Yellowhouse Full Member Offline Posts: 155 Location: Oklahoma Joined: Mar 31^st, 2008	Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block Reply #48 - Jan 28^th, 2019 at 1:52pm	Print Post
	oneatatime wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 11:26am: It wouldn't surprise me if they were Whitworth. Someone here was going to rebarrel one and maybe they will tell us what they found. Hey, Yellowhouse, how about shooting a squib load and recover the bullet and show us what the base looks like. I'll try and do that! With or w/o an over powder wad?


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4465 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block Reply #49 - Jan 28^th, 2019 at 5:10pm	Print Post
	Try it without a wad so it doesn't smash the base. I think it will be interesting to see what happens when that oversize bullet goes through.


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Swede Junior Member Offline Posts: 55 Location: Karlskrona Joined: Sep 12^th, 2007	Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block Reply #50 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 11:06am	Print Post
	svartkruttgris#369 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2019 at 10:57am: Swede wrote on Jan 25^th, 2019 at 9:29am: The flat bottom rifling were most likely inspired by Alexander Henry, don't think Husqvarna knew of HM Pope in the late 1860... One could even postulate that maybe "flat bottom" rifling was actually invented by Chinese and introduced to Europe by Marco Polo via the "Silk Road". Or maybe Persia got it from Chinese, Arabia got it from Persia, France got it from Moors, Belgium got it from France, Germany got it from Belgium and, finally, Husqvarna got it from Sauer. Where does Alexandra Henry actually fit in all this? Sorry the model 33 were not introduced until 1877... My father have 3x model 33 rifles 6x36R 8x57R/360 9.3x57R/360 And I have a Nr 5 Express Rifle (se attached pic´s) Pretty sure it says Henry Patent on the barrel. What do you have?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18049 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block Reply #51 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 11:27am	Print Post
	That's a very nice Rolling Block Swede!

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4465 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block Reply #52 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 12:22pm	Print Post
	Yes, super rolling block! Swede, does your father have any original/factory ammo for the 9.3x57R/360 that the bullet diameter could be measured?


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Swede Junior Member Offline Posts: 55 Location: Karlskrona Joined: Sep 12^th, 2007	Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block Reply #53 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 2:39pm	Print Post
	oneatatime wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 12:22pm: Yes, super rolling block! Swede, does your father have any original/factory ammo for the 9.3x57R/360 that the bullet diameter could be measured?


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Swede Junior Member Offline Posts: 55 Location: Karlskrona Joined: Sep 12^th, 2007	Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block Reply #54 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 2:58pm	Print Post
	oneatatime wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 12:22pm: Yes, super rolling block! Swede, does your father have any original/factory ammo for the 9.3x57R/360 that the bullet diameter could be measured?


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svartkruttgris#369 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2980 Location: Colorado, Norway, Sweden Joined: Oct 28^th, 2014	Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block Reply #55 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 4:13pm	Print Post
	Nice info!! That #5 Express roller is clearly not a M33. Does it have full-sized Rem #1 action box? Is rifling in barrel of #5 Express rifle typical Henry rifling? Is its rifling close to what is in M33 that Yellowhouse slugged? Thanks!


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4465 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block Reply #56 - Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:45am	Print Post
	So, 40 grains of some kind of powder (Czech SM-5 - black? - 40 seems kind of light in that case) and a 192 grain bullet. Did you get a chance to measure the bullet's diameter?


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Swede Junior Member Offline Posts: 55 Location: Karlskrona Joined: Sep 12^th, 2007	Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block Reply #57 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 11:39am	Print Post
	svartkruttgris#369 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 4:13pm: Nice info!! That #5 Express roller is clearly not a M33. Does it have full-sized Rem #1 action box? Is rifling in barrel of #5 Express rifle typical Henry rifling? Is its rifling close to what is in M33 that Yellowhouse slugged? Thanks! The #5 450 Express is full size, it has very typical 7-groove Alexander Henry Rifling, no question about it (as it is stamped on the barrel), maybe the payed some royalty for using it? dont know. Husqvarna used Henry rifling in their 450 SBS double barrles as well. (Still dont think Husqvarna knew about Harry Pope....) The m/33 seems to have both flat bottom grooves and ordinary radius grooves depending on when they were made. Older ones have radius rifling, newer flat bottom. My fathers 8mm have flat bottom grooves, the 6mm and 9,3 are radius groove. The flat bottom groove is similar to a Henry rifling. The 8mm are flat bottom 6-groove, the lands are wider than an true Henry rifling. Maybe the tried to work around the Henry Patent and made their own variant? I have a Husqvarna Reloading instruction from 1886, will add some more information later on.


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4465 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block Reply #58 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 11:45am	Print Post
	Thanks, Swede, you are proving to be a wealth of information.


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Swede Junior Member Offline Posts: 55 Location: Karlskrona Joined: Sep 12^th, 2007	Re: Slugging a Husqvarna Type 33A Rolling block Reply #59 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 11:49am	Print Post
	oneatatime wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:45am: So, 40 grains of some kind of powder (Czech SM-5 - black? - 40 seems kind of light in that case) and a 192 grain bullet. Did you get a chance to measure the bullet's diameter? Easy now, First picture with the cartridge box, is from left: 1. Newer reformed case reload with BP and cast bullet 2. Old reloaded case with cold swaged bullet (purchased) and BP 3. Old cartridge from the box in picture, Smokless and jacketed bullet as spec on box. 4. 9,3x72R Old Smokless and jacketed bullet 5. Sellier & Bellot pack of ten Smokless cartridges like no. 3 The other two pictures are of Old BP factory cartridges? no box to verify. Had no measuring tool with me to the vault, sorry Did not want to disassemble the cartridge anyway


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