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33-47 will 1:12 twist be to fast?
Nov 21st, 2018 at 7:23pm
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Considering builing a 33-47 from a .338 blank with 1:12 twist. My current 32-40 is 1:12.3 and needs to be pushed hard with a 195gr R. Long. So, should I talk myself out of a 1:12 .33 caliber? I would like to build it such that it can use both BS and fixed so advise on best chamber design (32-40, 33-47, taper......).

So, before I invest.... Oh, BTW it will be a MB #8 configuration.

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Reply #1 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 7:39pm
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What do mean by your 32-40 having to be pushed hard in your 1-12 twist with a 195 grain bullet? That bullet is very well suited to a 16 twist and I think you are over spinning it. My 33-37 was a 15 twist, bullet 234grs.and the avgerage velocity 1474fps. and the best shooting rifle I have owned to date. A 14 twist would also be a good choice beyond that would probably over stabilize that same bullet a bit to much in my own opinion and based on my own experience.

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Reply #2 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 8:06pm
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I should amend the pushing it comment since it stabilized at about 1450 fps. But since I was at the time aiming for 1400 fps  ......

As to the 1:12 over stabilizing in the .33 my next inquiry would be what would be the apropriate bullet characteristics to match?

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Reply #3 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 8:57pm
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That in all honesty I cannot answer so I won't attempt to do so by not having any prior long term experience. I have found over the years from personal experience what should work per the published charts or various stabilization programs often times does not unless first proven. And for personal opinions ending up to being an even less reliable source to go by. If someone isn't already doing it and remaining in the top three consistently in competitive competition I personaly shy away from such unproven advice.
  

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Re: 33-47 will 1:12 twist be to fast?
Reply #4 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 9:01am
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I bought a 1-10 338 barrel blank (it was cheep $100) to play with . Chambered it with my 32RKS reamer and then used a 338 neck and throat reamer to open it up for 339 bullets, not the best way to chamber .
I have used 230 grain and 295 grain (pointed custom mold)  bullets . 1-10 twist may be to fast but the rifle will shoot 1/2" groups 100yds ,not  as small as I would like but not bad considering chambering method .

I would think 1-12 would be faster than you would need for a 235 gr but might work well with 260 and heaver bullets, twist needs to match bullet length and weight.
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Reply #5 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 2:44pm
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I've bought 2 of those 338 barrels from Green Mountain. The first was turned 1/2 round and trimmed to 32". It was sent to JES and bored to 9.3mm 4 gruve. It's chambered in 9.3X74Rmm on a #5 Rolling block receiver. 
The second was turned the same 1/2 round and trimmed to 32"and left in 338 caliber. The plan was 33WCF on a smokeless rolling block reciever. Another thongth was 30-40 Krag necked up to 338 caliber.  I'm sure it's been done but not what its named. I'll be watching to see what's recommended for the 12 twist. 33-47 is on the maybe list also .
The 338 barrel ended  up weighing 6# 14.5 oz, with 11" octagon and tapered round of 1.02 to .92 at the muzzle. Finished length of 32".
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Reply #6 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 3:33pm
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I see no reason why a 12 twist 33 cal would not be competitive. Before RKS came out with the 11.5 twist 32 cal barrels, a lot of people would have said that it wouldn't be competitive BUT, as we all know now, it diffidently is!

The 295 gr bullet that Dales cites would be well stabilized in a 12 twist barrel but, as the bullet weigh goes up, the recoil increases and that can be a limiting factor in BR work.

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Re: 33-47 will 1:12 twist be to fast?
Reply #7 - Nov 23rd, 2018 at 8:18pm
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Well we shall see how it goes. I bought two of GMs #4 36" octagon .338 1:12 at todays sale (30% off) so they wer basically $100 each. How could I pass that up? I also bought a 1.25" straight octagon .50 1:24 to build an 1874 50-90 (had one and miss it).

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Reply #8 - Nov 24th, 2018 at 7:30am
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Is there a source for renting a 33-47 reamer. It's not listed at on the Reamer Rentals website.  
I didn't realize GM was running a sale ore I would have had an order in also.  
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Re: 33-47 will 1:12 twist be to fast?
Reply #9 - Nov 24th, 2018 at 11:26am
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I would guess that if you are thinking of th .338 oct. for $138 a call to GM might get you one one Monday (For 30% off) since these are a close out item. It doesn't hurt to ask. as of my order there were only 4 left.

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Reply #10 - Nov 24th, 2018 at 6:47pm
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That's the one I used for the 9.3 rebore and the 33 I have yet to chamber because of the price. 
I'll need to think on this .  Thank you.
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