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shafer44 Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Location: West Texas Joined: Jun 5^th, 2017	Re: Stevens 44 22lr mainspring removal Reply #15 - Nov 10^th, 2018 at 11:47am	Print Post
	Per Marlinguy, it is a 44, serial number is 79XXX, so a newer 44. I am on a mission today to find a lighter spring. I don't really know where to go except checking Lowes, Home Depot and Ace Hardware. I took a spring from my stash of Wolf springs for my Sig P226 and clipped one of them that was 18#, but that seemed a bit light for the hammer fall, but it did reduce the trigger pull to around 2 lbs. I am going to try to find a smaller diameter wire spring in the maybe 25#/in rate of compression.


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Stevens 44 22lr mainspring removal Reply #16 - Nov 10^th, 2018 at 12:11pm	Print Post
	BP wrote on Nov 10^th, 2018 at 9:39am: What's so "radically different" between two "Ideal" actions? Stevens sold rifles, not actions. "Configuration" means barrel, stocks, sights, every other detail of construction. And even the levers of the two models were radically different! The question implies that Shafer isn't sharp enough to tell the difference.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16012 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens 44 22lr mainspring removal Reply #17 - Nov 10^th, 2018 at 12:13pm	Print Post
	I've never been able to simply "pluck out" a coil spring mainspring after letting the hammer completely down. It's still got enough preload that it takes pliers or a screwdriver to push forward in order to dislodge it from the notch in the retaining screw.

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Stevens 44 22lr mainspring removal Reply #18 - Nov 10^th, 2018 at 12:15pm	Print Post
	shafer44 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2018 at 11:47am: Per Marlinguy, it is a 44, serial number is 79XXX, so a newer 44. I am on a mission today to find a lighter spring. I don't really know where to go except checking Lowes, Home Depot and Ace Hardware. I took a spring from my stash of Wolf springs for my Sig P226 and clipped one of them that was 18#, but that seemed a bit light for the hammer fall, but it did reduce the trigger pull to around 2 lbs. I am going to try to find a smaller diameter wire spring in the maybe 25#/in rate of compression. The source that almost undoubtedly has the spring you're looking for is Brownell's--but how to find it among the thousands they handle is the great problem! If you had an original spring, you could send it to them & ask them to match it, but of course you don't.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Stevens 44 22lr mainspring removal Reply #19 - Nov 10^th, 2018 at 12:31pm	Print Post
	Try contacting CPA Gail could possibly have one.

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Stevens 44 22lr mainspring removal Reply #20 - Nov 10^th, 2018 at 1:01pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Nov 10^th, 2018 at 12:13pm: I've never been able to simply "pluck out" a coil spring mainspring after letting the hammer completely down. It's still got enough preload that it takes pliers or a screwdriver to push forward in order to dislodge it from the notch in the retaining screw. Take the breechblock completely out, then. The hammer can then fall so far forward that the spring will literally fall out. One of my "lessons learned" as a Model 44 newbie. Had to take the buttstock off to put it right. Unless the OEM coil strut is a good deal longer than the one I once made, before I discovered that Wisners had the flat ones.
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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Stevens 44 22lr mainspring removal Reply #21 - Nov 10^th, 2018 at 1:08pm	Print Post
	Try this search on Amazon: coil spring compression mechanical Do not omit the word mechanical, or you'll get hundreds and hundreds of hits for automotive suspension springs. A thing that's useful to realize, when searching for a coil spring: A coil spring can be thought of as a torsion bar wrapped into a helix. The only two dimensional factors that determine the rate* are the length of the wire, and its' diameter.* More wire = softer, and vice versa. Thicker wire = stiffer, and vice versa. This epiphany explains why shortening a coil spring actually increases its' rate, even while reducing the preload. Tuning the suspensions for my race bikes taught me that. I've never seen it written down anywhere, which is a shame.
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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Stevens 44 22lr mainspring removal Reply #22 - Nov 10^th, 2018 at 2:31pm	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2018 at 1:01pm: Unless the OEM coil strut is a good deal longer than the one I once made, before I discovered that Wisners had the flat ones. Wisner's lists the 1915 Favorite spring, except that they seem to be out of stock at the moment. Would that be too short for the one needed on the late 44s?


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shafer44 Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Location: West Texas Joined: Jun 5^th, 2017	Re: Stevens 44 22lr mainspring removal Reply #23 - Nov 10^th, 2018 at 2:50pm	Print Post
	yeah, i looked there and saw the Favorite one. I need to call them and see the size and length of it. My current spring has a .273" outer diameter, the spring wire is 0.052" and the length is 1.5". I need to find the same size, except 0.040" dia. wire, which I think would be closer to the correct compression rate.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Stevens 44 22lr mainspring removal Reply #24 - Nov 10^th, 2018 at 3:12pm	Print Post
	Any local Hobby Store that deals with airplanes etc. typically has a large variety of piano spring wire on hand in two foot lengths and its also very reasonable at least at our local Hobby store it is.

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Stevens 44 22lr mainspring removal Reply #25 - Nov 10^th, 2018 at 3:39pm	Print Post
	Try calling Wolff... Brownell's sells a lot of their springs. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Stevens 44 22lr mainspring removal Reply #26 - Nov 10^th, 2018 at 5:17pm	Print Post
	The arch type springs used in early Favorites are a direct replacement for the Model 44, except for the thickness of the spring stock, that I know. So I'd infer that the struts and coil springs would interchange as well. I wouldn't blindly trust Wisner to have the right rate of coil spring, though. They sell a 44-weight spring as being for Favorites, which gives you a Favorite that needs two hands to cock!

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shafer44 Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Location: West Texas Joined: Jun 5^th, 2017	Re: Stevens 44 22lr mainspring removal Reply #27 - Nov 10^th, 2018 at 5:48pm	Print Post
	I am going to call Wolf, i have the diameters of the current spring, I will just see if they have some on each side of what I think i need. Also located another "spring guy" that I emailed to see if he had any


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Stevens 44 22lr mainspring removal Reply #28 - Nov 10^th, 2018 at 8:13pm	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote on Nov 10^th, 2018 at 12:11pm: BP wrote on Nov 10^th, 2018 at 9:39am: What's so "radically different" between two "Ideal" actions? Stevens sold rifles, not actions. "Configuration" means barrel, stocks, sights, every other detail of construction. And even the levers of the two models were radically different! The question implies that Shafer isn't sharp enough to tell the difference. Just curious, Redsetter, What kind of gunsmithing have you personally performed?

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Stevens 44 22lr mainspring removal Reply #29 - Nov 10^th, 2018 at 10:40pm	Print Post
	BP wrote on Nov 10^th, 2018 at 8:13pm: Just curious, Redsetter, What kind of gunsmithing have you personally performed? Just curious, BP, what is the logical relevance of that question to anything previously posted on this thread? Seems to be no more than a transparent effort to efface the absurdity of your implication that Shafer might be confusing a 44 with a 417. Please, we ALL know that the 417 was derived from the 44, so you needn't rehash that bit of common knowledge.


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