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boho Full Member Offline Posts: 191 Location: NY New York Joined: Feb 6^th, 2012	Stevens Wallnut Hill .22LR Oct 31^st, 2018 at 7:08pm	Print Post
	I'm hoping someone can give me some info on this rifle. I have a chance to buy and have it to shoot for a while. There is another lever for it I was told. It feels light and easy to shoulder. Any guess on age? Is everything right? Is it a 44 1/2?

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moodyholler Oldtimer Offline Posts: 695 Location: Blue Ridge Joined: Oct 11^th, 2005	Re: Stevens Wallnut Hill .22LR Reply #1 - Oct 31^st, 2018 at 7:27pm	Print Post
	417 with mods to hammer, stock and lever. MH


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Stevens Wallnut Hill .22LR Reply #2 - Oct 31^st, 2018 at 8:28pm	Print Post
	moodyholler wrote on Oct 31^st, 2018 at 7:27pm: 417 with mods to hammer, stock and lever. MH Don't think it's a 417 unless someone went WAY out of their way to screw it up by replacing the forearm, as well as the lever. Might be a 418, if it's a Favorite-sized action, which I can't tell from photo. PS, Don't you find a model number marked either on the lower tang or the front face of the rcvr?
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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Stevens Wallnut Hill .22LR Reply #3 - Nov 9^th, 2018 at 4:10am	Print Post
	It has the screw heads on the right side, so not a 418. And definitely not a 44 1/2. If it's 417 it was made in the 1930s, the last of the models based on the old Model 44 action. Could also be a dolled-up Model 44, from anywhere after about 1900/1902. 417s were so marked on one of the tangs, I think. Model 44 will have the number 44 stamped on the face of the frame, under the forend. Knowing the serial number would be helpful. 417 firing pin strikes at the 9:00 position. 44s strike at 6:00 position. If it shoots well, leave it alone.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16009 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens Wallnut Hill .22LR Reply #4 - Nov 9^th, 2018 at 9:30am	Print Post
	Some very late Model 44's had "44" stamped on the lower tang right by the serial number. Wonder if this is a flat mainspring or late coil mainspring?

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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2826 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Stevens Wallnut Hill .22LR Reply #5 - Nov 9^th, 2018 at 11:05am	Print Post
	Does a 417 have a coil spring driving the hammer?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16009 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens Wallnut Hill .22LR Reply #6 - Nov 9^th, 2018 at 11:09am	Print Post
	waterman wrote on Nov 9^th, 2018 at 11:05am: Does a 417 have a coil spring driving the hammer? Yes. At least if this diagram is correct. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Stevens Wallnut Hill .22LR Reply #7 - Nov 9^th, 2018 at 11:57am	Print Post
	waterman wrote on Nov 9^th, 2018 at 11:05am: Does a 417 have a coil spring driving the hammer? The coil mainspring was supposed to be the "big improvement" of the 1915 Favorite--and that's what the 418 series is, basically, more carefully fitted, closer tolerances, etc., but unfortunately no better heat treatment, which seemed to be one of the corners Stevens often cut.


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Stevens Wallnut Hill .22LR Reply #8 - Nov 9^th, 2018 at 1:55pm	Print Post
	By all accounts the mainspring is a coil-over-strut, like a 1915. But considerably stiffer, as part of their "speed-lock" feature. I'd wonder if the 'smith who made that hammer retained the odd "short-fall" trigger notch arrangement, which was always left at full cock by the link when operating the lever, like a Winchester. The hammer then had a much deeper notch behind the sear notch, which was used to hold the hammer back out of the way while cleaning the bore. sigh I've sworn off buying more guns, but thinking about this is making me hungry for a 417 of my own.

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Stevens Wallnut Hill .22LR Reply #9 - Nov 9^th, 2018 at 2:03pm	Print Post
	After the war, Irving Page teamed up with an engineer named Lewis to make a boy's rifle to compete with the Favorite. I lucked onto a near-mint specimen of the Page-Lewis a while ago, and it's impressive. For one thing the hammer and trigger are proper tool steel, through-hardened. Why Savage couldn't manage that when they made the 417 ten years later is a mystery to me. Far, far superior to the case-hardened parts they actually used.

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Stevens Wallnut Hill .22LR Reply #10 - Nov 9^th, 2018 at 3:22pm	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2018 at 1:55pm: I've sworn off buying more guns, but thinking about this is making me hungry for a 417 of my own. Read DeHass' criticism of the 417 sear & hammer before you do--sure put me off wanting one! The 417-1/2 doesn't have that same super-heavy mainspring, & does have a half-cock notch; what it doesn't have, however, is the same heavy brl. & stock set as the 417, so that queers it for me. No doubt it was once possible to have Stevens fit a 417 brl & stocks to the 417-1/2 action, but little late for that now. Of course the 418 series is a horse of a different color entirely--derived from the 1915 Favorite, not the 44.


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Stevens Wallnut Hill .22LR Reply #11 - Nov 9^th, 2018 at 4:44pm	Print Post
	Redsetter wrote on Nov 9^th, 2018 at 3:22pm: uscra112 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2018 at 1:55pm: I've sworn off buying more guns, but thinking about this is making me hungry for a 417 of my own. Read DeHass' criticism of the 417 sear & hammer before you do--sure put me off wanting one! The 417-1/2 doesn't have that same super-heavy mainspring, & does have a half-cock notch; what it doesn't have, however, is the same heavy brl. & stock set as the 417, so that queers it for me. No doubt it was once possible to have Stevens fit a 417 brl & stocks to the 417-1/2 action, but little late for that now. Of course the 418 series is a horse of a different color entirely--derived from the 1915 Favorite, not the 44. Red, You might want to pull out your copy of the Stevens Component Parts pamphlet (Form 7034-3), and go to the 418, 418 1/2 page, and compare the notches that are shown on the two hammers that are pictured... 17 Hammer N. S., and 17A Hammer O. S. Also shown on the 418, 418 1/2 page are 24 Mainspring N. S., 24A Mainspring O. S., 25 Mainspring Plunger comp N. S., 25A Mainspring Plunger comp and O. S. The page for the 417 and 417 1/2 also shows the two different hammers, two respective mainsprings, and two respective mainspring plungers.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16009 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens Wallnut Hill .22LR Reply #12 - Nov 9^th, 2018 at 4:55pm	Print Post
	This will just add to the conversation. It's the Stevens 44 that "oneatatime" saw in the Lakewood, Co. gun store on Halloween. My friend sent me these images after he received it. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Not sure why the last three images are smaller? They all were large when I posted them. It is in the serial #79xxx range, and has a coil spring mainspring. It also has a 26" full round bull barrel, and is marked .22LR on one side, and J Stevens Arms, Chicopee Falls, Ma. on the other side in two lines. The buttplate is the early style Stevens crescent, and straight grip stock. Receiver has the Stevens name on it, with patent info below the name. Lower tang also has "44" stamped near the serial number, but not on the front of the receiver where older guns were marked.

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Stevens Wallnut Hill .22LR Reply #13 - Nov 9^th, 2018 at 6:15pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Nov 9^th, 2018 at 4:55pm: Receiver has the Stevens name on it, with patent info below the name. That would put it 1920 or later, so not surprising Stevens changed the 44 mainspring design to the type developed for the 1915 Favorite, which had previously proved successful.


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Stevens Wallnut Hill .22LR Reply #14 - Nov 9^th, 2018 at 6:18pm	Print Post
	BP wrote on Nov 9^th, 2018 at 4:44pm: You might want to pull out your copy of the Stevens Component Parts pamphlet (Form 7034-3), and go to the 418, 418 1/2 page, and compare the notches that are shown on the two hammers that are pictured... 17 Hammer N. S., and 17A Hammer O. S. Only Stevens parts diagrams I have are those in the catalogs, & the newest one of those I have is '27--too early for those models.


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