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primers Junior Member Offline Posts: 56 Location: Arizona Joined: Apr 17^th, 2014	Stevens 44 Aug 30^th, 2018 at 9:41pm	Print Post
	Gents...Found a couple of old 44's for sale one marked 25-20... Would that have only come in 25-20 SS? Or could it be a 25-20 WCF ? Thanks... Randy A.


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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Stevens 44 Reply #1 - Aug 30^th, 2018 at 10:02pm	Print Post
	'25-20 SS. Highly unlikely that it woud be .25-20 Winchester. That discussion has been kicked around here recently and often in the past.


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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Stevens 44 Reply #2 - Aug 30^th, 2018 at 10:19pm	Print Post
	If the barrel has been rechambered for .25-20 WCF, it should have been set back to do it properly. However, many "gunsmiths" simply run a .25-20 WCF reamer into the existing chamber and call the job done. In either case, the extractor also has to be modified, as the .25-20 SS case has a smaller base. Bill Lawrence


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Stevens 44 Reply #3 - Aug 30^th, 2018 at 10:22pm	Print Post
	slumlord44 wrote on Aug 30^th, 2018 at 10:02pm: '25-20 SS. Highly unlikely that it woud be .25-20 Winchester. That discussion has been kicked around here recently and often in the past. Can't find listing of 44s in .25WCF in any catalog.


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Stevens 44 Reply #4 - Aug 31^st, 2018 at 10:11am	Print Post
	I have seen at least two that were marked 25-20. Both were 25-20 Repeater. 40 Rod


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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Stevens 44 Reply #5 - Aug 31^st, 2018 at 12:05pm	Print Post
	Wow! If those were original factory chamberings, they were incredibly rare and definitely very special order, and I would have dearly liked to have examined them As Redsetter notes, .25-20 WCF (or .25-20 R [for Repeater]) was never a cataloged option. After all, Stevens already offered three other accurate centerfire .25s, thank you very much, all of which were more or less proprietary cartridges with them and none of which were bottlenecks. Bill Lawrence


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18048 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens 44 Reply #6 - Aug 31^st, 2018 at 12:30pm	Print Post
	I've owned two Stevens 44's in .25-20WCF also. Not sure about the catalog, but they don't seem that rare to me. I think the .25-20WCF was more common in later guns than early when Stevens was pushing their own .25-20SS.

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Stevens 44 Reply #7 - Aug 31^st, 2018 at 12:38pm	Print Post
	40_Rod wrote on Aug 31^st, 2018 at 10:11am: I have seen at least two that were marked 25-20. Both were 25-20 Repeater. 40 Rod How were they marked, if you remember? Stevens would surely have marked it differently from their .25-20--called .25-20 Stevens in their catalogs (though it was first offered by Maynard.)


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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Stevens 44 Reply #8 - Aug 31^st, 2018 at 3:44pm	Print Post
	I don't remember ever seeing a Stevens barrel chambered for .25-20 SS and stamped .25-20 STEVENS. So, not that I'm disbelieving or argumentative, but since all of you collectively have seen and own more Stevens barrels than I can dream of, can anyone post a picture of said stamping? Also, I'm with Redsetter on the .25-20 WCF stamp. That is, in my experience, a Stevens barrel stamped 25 20 or 25.20 is chambered for the .25-20 SS. So how did Stevens distinguish a barrel they chambered in .25-20 WCF from one chambered in .25-20 SS (or, if you must, .25-20 Stevens)? Bill Lawrence


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Stevens 44 Reply #9 - Aug 31^st, 2018 at 4:36pm	Print Post
	Bill Lawrence wrote on Aug 31^st, 2018 at 3:44pm: I don't remember ever seeing a Stevens barrel chambered for .25-20 SS and stamped .25-20 STEVENS. Bill Lawrence Didn't say on the barrel. "...called .25-20 Stevens in their catalogs..." Stevens catalog hype insists that the cartridge was THEIR development. Only defense of this stretcher is that Stevens bought out the company that DID introduce it, Maynard/Mass. Arms.
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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Stevens 44 Reply #10 - Aug 31^st, 2018 at 5:07pm	Print Post
	Sorry, Red, I wasn't as clear as you; I'll try to rephrase my question. Once Stevens started chambering Model 44s in .25-20 WCF (per the four examples noted by Vall and 40 Rod) while presumably still chambering them in .25-20 SS, how did the company differentiate those barrels for the public? Or didn't they, since neither cartridge fits the other chamber? Does anyone have pictures of relevant barrel stamps? Bill Lawrence


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primers Junior Member Offline Posts: 56 Location: Arizona Joined: Apr 17^th, 2014	Re: Stevens 44 Reply #11 - Aug 31^st, 2018 at 10:12pm	Print Post
	I'll just sneak in here and thank you all for you answers.... Randy A.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18048 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens 44 Reply #12 - Sep 1^st, 2018 at 10:08am	Print Post
	Those I've owned in either .25-20 were still marked simply ".25-20" My thought was Stevens never wanted "WCF" on their barrels. Some maker's simply put the "W" after the caliber, and some put nothing. A bit confusing today, but back when the guns were new I doubt owners cared. Marlin never marked any caliber markings on their Ballard rifles at all until later in production. Usually only see caliber stamps on post 1881 Ballard rifles. Causes a lot of frustration to shooters/collectors today.

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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: Stevens 44 Reply #13 - Sep 1^st, 2018 at 10:53am	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Sep 1^st, 2018 at 10:08am: Those I've owned in either .25-20 were still marked simply ".25-20" My thought was Stevens never wanted "WCF" on their barrels. Would have been a bitter pill to swallow, free advertising for their chief competitor. However, Stevens caved in to the popularity of the .22WRF by listing it complete with "Winchester" printed on the illustration of the cartridge. Think the brl. marking may have been only .22-7-45 RF, thus avoiding use of the "W" name.


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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Stevens 44 Reply #14 - Sep 1^st, 2018 at 10:46pm	Print Post
	I have a Favorite and a 418 Walnut Hill chambered in .22 WRF. Both are marked .22 WRF on the barrel. At some time I think they were listed as.22-7-45 RF in the catalogs.


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