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Re: Barrel nodes or to tighten groups up the velocity
Reply #15 - Aug 28th, 2018 at 3:37pm
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Without measuring, who knows how much tin is or is not lost.  BUT if a process WORKS, the reasons may or may not be understood or relevant.  Do what works.

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Reply #16 - Aug 28th, 2018 at 4:51pm
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CF it is really totally unfounded just based on my own long term personal experiences and the one that has proven to be the best long term experience for me and also handed down by my good friend Barry Darr.
  

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Reply #17 - Aug 28th, 2018 at 6:16pm
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OK, thanks. Maybe it's just like CW says.... if it works, don't worry. Good 'nuff.
I am a weigh 'em sort of guy. Don't know why I bother, though, since most of the time they are very close in weight, and just need to look 'em over for flaws. Cast hot and even cadence, that's how I was shown years back and still do it that way.
  
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Reply #18 - Aug 28th, 2018 at 8:07pm
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CF it all really boils down to getting out and building ones own self confidence and there is really no right or a wrong way but what actually works the very best for each individual.
  

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Reply #19 - Aug 29th, 2018 at 11:49am
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I'm still curious about how Jeff S thinks that shooting in the order cast, does something to barrel vibration.

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Re: Barrel nodes or to tighten groups up the velocity
Reply #20 - Aug 29th, 2018 at 1:01pm
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I still inspect bullets and toss back any that don't look perfect. But I also weigh them all to group them into groups. I don't toss out any that look good, but I shoot them according to the narrow weight range they fall within. 
If I shoot them as groups within the same weight I don't see much difference in group size between the different weights. But if I toss those outside the range I'm sorting by, then I notice the group size will open up.
Haven't kept track of age of my bullets, so no idea how that might affect the accuracy.
  

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Reply #21 - Aug 29th, 2018 at 1:02pm
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CF I don't even bother weighing anymore they were always within my four tenths max limit that I finally decided it to be just a waste of time. A batch consists of 120 bullets and then I do a visual inspection and typicaly I find a few with inclusions or minor flaws. So twelve to fifteen end up going back in the pot and it takes around eight or so to bring the mould to full temp. and it leaves enough good ones to replace any bad. 
In regards to nodes and barrel vibrations I had my custom front sand bag made to a depth of five inches so it covers allot of area on each side of the node. Vibrations were dampened by filling the bag with 50% sand and 50% Parakeet gravel and both have worked out very well for me. Unlike a sled where barrel placement has to be more exacting for the node and vibrations / harmonics I have found more difficult to control for my own use. All though just about if not everyone in our group now uses a sled and they are just as competitive if not more so than myself. I also used one for about ten years and just found my bag to provide less of the very critical vertical dispersion that makes good groups and or scores more difficult to consistently achieve. 
The bag is a bit more difficult to use as just the barrel is resting on the bag so the rifle is free to move around quite allot and it did take sometime to be able to take full advantage of all the increased benefits I found it had to offer for my own use. 

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Re: Barrel nodes or to tighten groups up the velocity
Reply #22 - Sep 1st, 2018 at 5:40pm
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I don't think anybody has mentioned how far off the lands when using jacketed bullets.
With 22 calibre bullets I have found from just touching to twenty thou off and with calibres larger just touching but with some of the older  European rifles your are lucky to get anywhere near the lands but they still shoot well. 
An older pr-war sporting Mauser in 7x57 which I foolishly sold years ago had a half inch bullet jump but still shot well.
If it was easy it wouldn't be fun would it.
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Re: Barrel nodes or to tighten groups up the velocity
Reply #23 - Sep 1st, 2018 at 7:37pm
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The best advice for Jacketed bullets and the very best in accuracy can be found over at Benchrest Central from some of the Hall of Fame folks and Gene Beggs tunnel testing being just one good examle. They are always more than willing to go out of their way to be extremly helpful as no two rifles are indeed the same and require different settings of having the bullet off the lands and how much bullet jump might be required. It all goes hand in hand with how to achieve ones individual Rifle tune and no one part of it can be separated from the rest of what's involved.

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