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Aug 17th, 2018 at 7:05pm
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Well several weeks ago my slug gun was knocked onto it's side due to a huge wind gust and hit the end of the eye piece where the threaded cap screws into. There was a small 1/4 inch flat spot and when I looked through the scope one cross hair was broken! I called several commercial scope repair places....6 months or so to get repairs and $150 or more. We have a master craftsman in the San Diego area who can do them but he was in the matches in New Mexico for several weeks, soooooo I figured I'll give it a try. I found the eBay address of the fellow who sells 0.0005 tungsten wire and I bought a double order. Got it in about 3 days and that stuff is so small I could not feel it and could only see it by light reflection from some LED lights. I used my head mounted magnifier AND a desk mounted one and could barely see it.


The tube that holds the wires slid out easily after pulling the two locking screws and then placing the tube onto a piece of Gorilla tape with adhesive side up. The holding screws (4) had the wire at 9 o:clock on one side and 3 o:clock on the other. I used a pair of surgical clamps to hold the wire and tighten one side then the other. The wire is sensitive and can't be pulled too hard. It took me 6 tries to get both wires screwed down and set 90 degrees to each other. I cut the end of the wire with a pair of small scissors with the points filed to a very sharp point.


I added a small amount of synthetic grease to the cross hair tube and it was just enough to have it slide in to he scope tube. I worked the small flat spot out of the eye piece without causing the lens to work loose, whew I was happy!!!!


I set the cross hairs so they are plumb, locked them in place and went to the range this past Wednesday and I was VERY HAPPY that there was only a small amount of height adjustment and zero horizontal adjustment needed to get the rifle onto the bullseye again! Since I did this on the desk at my computer I have found several 5 inch pieces of the wire in my keyboard and I thought it was some of my hair or beard! Damn that stuff is very fine! The part of the scope I found with the N2 gas is in front of the cross hair area with is not sealed so no issues there.
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 7:40pm
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WoW!

Smiley    David
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 7:47pm
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Congrats!  Cheesy

Is the crosshair about right looking through the scope?  Would .001 be better?  .00075, maybe or do they even make it?
  

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Reply #3 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 7:59pm
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oldracer,
Well Done on a very tricky job.
been there done that some yrs ago on a Davis Spotshot.
beltfed/arnie
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 8:06pm
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.0005 is a bit thick for me .0002 tungsten wire to me is being more like fine. I changed mine and the first thing I did was to loose the wire and never could find it. But I finally got it accomplished and if having the screws it's really not all that difficult and pretty hard if not impossible to screw up if you can see the damn wire.
  

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Reply #5 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 11:28pm
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The wire I used made cross hairs finer than the ones originally in the scope. I had to use a couple of those free LED lights that Harbor Freight gives away and I could then see the light reflect off the wire. I think the seller, James Stancliff has different wire diameters.

I mounted the wires under the screws the same way they were originally although once I got them wrong and the tube and optical lens has to be reassembled to check and they were not 90 degrees to each other. So a redo!
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 18th, 2018 at 1:32am
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Not to change the subject to much but Jackie Schmidt a Jacketed benchrest shooting from Texas and a top one at that. Uses one unraveled strand of carbon fiber from fishing line to get his ultra fine cross hairs that he personally prefers. When I changed the cross hairs in my Unertl and after very quickly loosing my piece of .0002 tungsten wire I ended up doing the same and could not be more happier with the end results thanks to Jackie's recommendation. For those who might not know him he is pretty much a scope expert. There was a time when he would freeze the internal adjustment's and use external to eliminate any point of impact changes and he did quite a few.

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Reply #7 - Aug 18th, 2018 at 1:42am
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What kind of line do you unravel a strand of carbon fiber from?
  

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Reply #8 - Aug 18th, 2018 at 9:48am
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Getting a single strand of anything is very hard. When I made a scope a few years ago I pulled out a single strand of dental floss and that took quite a while! In my case I ended up using cat's hair as the floss thread kept breaking and it showed up quite large.
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 18th, 2018 at 12:59pm
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BobZ SpiderWire is one source they call their braided fiber Dyneema.

Jackfish sells 5-32LB Braided Carbon Fiber Leader Line 

Kevlar Fishing Line makes 100% Dupont Kevlar braided line.

I just checked and Jackie Schmidt actually uses Kevlar Fishing Line. Start unraveling it, and you finally get down to strands that are about .0002 to .0003 That is what I used before I went to the glass ones from Klarmann Rulings........jackie

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Reply #10 - Aug 18th, 2018 at 1:07pm
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Oldracer on the Unertl cell the strand goes under one screw and then over the top of the other screw. It does not go straight accross from one screw to the other and if doing so it won't be centered in the cell.

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Reply #11 - Aug 18th, 2018 at 1:55pm
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Hum, I am not sure what you mean by that, sorry? Before I pulled the existing wires I looked very close and saw that if looking straight down on the top of the tube that all 4 wires were under the edge of a screw. On one side the wire was on the 9:00 side of a screw and opposite side the wire was on the 3:00 side of the screw. That was the horizontal wire and on the vertical wire the wire ran the same so they were 90 degrees to each other. The vertical wire had broken near the middle when the scope fell over so looking at the way it was originally clamped told me how they were fastened.


The cross hairs may have been replaced once before as there seems to be no way to tell? In the way I did the wire under the screws one side did not tend to tighten the wire and the other side would add some tension. It caused me to break the wire several times. I added a picture where I drew some arrows showing how the wires were attached.
  
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Reply #12 - Aug 18th, 2018 at 2:51pm
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Thanks JL, Save me the problem of finding a spider making proper web if I ever need a crosshair  Cheesy
  

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Reply #13 - Aug 18th, 2018 at 3:06pm
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The way you show it going on with your arrows is indeed the correct way and exactly what I was trying to point Oldracer.

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Reply #14 - Aug 18th, 2018 at 3:25pm
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Your welcome BobZ and if I am in need again I would probably go with having Klarmann Rulings make me an etched glass to fit my cell or turn one out on the lathe that might be better suited. 
Also any bit of dust on the new wires will look like little boulders and a very gentle dip in acetone is generally enough to clean it off. If trying to blow it off you would more than likely have to start all over from scratch again. 

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