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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15771 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: A Few Old Photos Reply #75 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 4:25pm	Print Post
	calledflyer wrote on Aug 27^th, 2018 at 2:51pm: Wanna bet that those rifles have either Pope or Pope/Stevens barrels? Well I bet Harry's had a Pope barrel! I've seen this picture before, but somehow overlooked the scope on Pope's High Wall before now! Appears Harry had a Fecker scope on his gun!

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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1834 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: A Few Old Photos Reply #76 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 4:29pm	Print Post
	Can any of the others be identified? I am not sure, but the shooter behind and to Pope's left might be Arthur Hubalek.If so, doubt he would be shooting a Pope barrel. Realy nifty photo, and thanks for sharing it with us.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15771 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: A Few Old Photos Reply #77 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 4:38pm	Print Post
	rkba2nd wrote on Aug 27^th, 2018 at 4:29pm: Can any of the others be identified? I am not sure, but the shooter behind and to Pope's left might be Arthur Hubalek.If so, doubt he would be shooting a Pope barrel. Realy nifty photo, and thanks for sharing it with us. I don't see anyone in the picture that looks like pictures I've seen of Arthur Hubalek. I've seen pictures Depending on when the picture was taken, Hubalek did use Pope barrels earlier in life. Of course after he began making his own then he and Pope had a falling out, and I doubt he'd use a Pope barrel, or that Pope would sell him one either. The picture John Dutcher used in his Ballard book on page 381 shows a much older Pope standing in the center and Hubalek and his son standing to the left of Pope. Dutcher mentions the bad feelings between the men, but I guess it wasn't bad enough to not take a picture with them. Or maybe Hubalek's son was the buffer between them?

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 3492 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: A Few Old Photos Reply #78 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 5:00pm	Print Post
	The white-shirted man with the tie and no jacket, standing behind Pope is Lucian Cary. Don't the fore stocks on the two Ballard look like Stevens versions? That's why I postulated the inclusion of Stevens/Pope barrels.
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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1834 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: A Few Old Photos Reply #79 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 5:09pm	Print Post
	Thanks MG, I went to look at the picture in Johns book on page 361, and was thinking that Hubalek's son looks like the man in the photo to the left and behind Pope, and the man behind Pope might be Hubalek. There is a similarity but I was wrong on both counts. I would love to have a nice photograph of Hubalek, as I have a Hubalek Ballard. I will have to ask John. I would still be interested in identifying any of the others if anyone knows. Krag

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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1834 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: A Few Old Photos Reply #80 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 5:11pm	Print Post
	Thanks calledflyer.

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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1834 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: A Few Old Photos Reply #81 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 5:15pm	Print Post
	Interesting two diameter scope to Pope" left.

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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: A Few Old Photos Reply #82 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 5:26pm	Print Post
	Cary, of course, idolized Pope and based his wonderful J. M. Pyne stories on him. But as one good turn does indeed sometimes begat another, it can hardly be coincidental that the last muzzle-loading outfit Pope made went to Cary. Bill Lawrence


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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: A Few Old Photos Reply #83 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 5:31pm	Print Post
	What I think are most nifty are the individualized palm rests. Also, I wonder what pulled only Cary's eyes away from the camera. Possibly one of Westerner's notorious Schuetzenbabes? Bill Lawrence


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 3492 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: A Few Old Photos Reply #84 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 5:33pm	Print Post
	It's not impossible that the rifle Pope is holding in the photo is the very rifle he made for Cary. Look at the buttplate on the engraved Ballard. Lots to see in that photo, kinda like the others in this thread. Thanks for posting 'em guys.


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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: A Few Old Photos Reply #85 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 5:43pm	Print Post
	Sorry, fellas, Cary's Pope was a high-wall, but not that one. Julia's sold the Cary-Pope outfit back in 2011 and you can still see it and it's accessories in all their glory in Julia's archives. (I tried to add the internet address of the listing, but it would only partially display.) Bill Lawrence
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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 3492 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: A Few Old Photos Reply #86 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 6:19pm	Print Post
	I tried to post the Julia auction stuff myself, but I'm a computer idiot. The reason I say the rifles might be the same is the fact that the rifle was refurbished and restocked after Cary owned it. It was just a possibility, that's all.


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Flatlander Oldtimer Offline Posts: 597 Location: Warm Arizona Joined: Apr 24^th, 2004	Re: A Few Old Photos Reply #87 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 6:30pm	Print Post
	One publication using that photo identifies the gentleman to Lucian Cary's left leaning on barrel as Arthur Elliot, Harry's apprentice. Flatlander

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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: A Few Old Photos Reply #88 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 7:33pm	Print Post
	You're certainly always safe in saying "might", Calledflyer. But just to likely settle the issue, Pope delivered the outfit (barrel # 782) to Cary in 1933; our photo is dated 1935. Nonetheless, Harry is looking just a tad smug, and one has to wonder what about. Bill Lawrence


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Redsetter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3468 Location: New York Joined: Aug 6^th, 2013	Re: A Few Old Photos Reply #89 - Aug 27^th, 2018 at 8:08pm	Print Post
	rkba2nd wrote on Aug 27^th, 2018 at 5:15pm: Interesting two diameter scope to Pope" left. Abrupt jump from small to large diameter characteristic of scopes made by F. H. Souther, a member of the W.H. Club. He built no mounts of his own--these are probably Feckers.


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