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cheatin_charlie Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 425 Location: ohio Joined: Jan 10^th, 2009	321-185-RF PB BD1 bullet mold by NOE Jul 6^th, 2018 at 6:49am	Print Post
	Anybody use this bullet mold with good success in a 16" twist barrel? Also what do the letters mean in the description? I know what the numbers mean but the RF and BD1 has me stumped couldn't find anything on web page. I love my Barnett mold but takes a lot longer to make the bullets than shoot them! LOL MY Barnett is .980 OAL vs 1.080 for Noe. Seems that should take a 14 twist?


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: 321-185-RF PB BD1 bullet mold by NOE Reply #1 - Jul 9^th, 2018 at 9:47am	Print Post
	Here's my WAG the BD1 stands for Barry Dar design 1. Is it a traditional "Pope style" bullet it may be a copy of one of Barry's SEACO designs. 40 Rod


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jfeldman ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1119 Location: Imperial Beach, Ca Joined: Nov 5^th, 2005	Re: 321-185-RF PB BD1 bullet mold by NOE Reply #2 - Jul 14^th, 2018 at 12:17am	Print Post
	CCharlie, I don't know what the letters stand for either but am having some success with that bullet in a 16 twist Darr barrel. Seems to like 14.3 gr of 4227. Regards, Joe


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 7648 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 321-185-RF PB BD1 bullet mold by NOE Reply #3 - Jul 14^th, 2018 at 2:49am	Print Post
	The bullet is a copy of the W. H. French bullet, Ideals 321323. In it's time 16 was the predominate twist rate. The RF means Round Flat, the BD should stand for Base Diameter, 1, 2 & 3. I drew and offered the bullet, here on the forum. I was told what the RF meant by Al, at NOE. The BD is my assumption, based on the 3 base diameters. Frank

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irish66 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 546 Location: newbraunfels Joined: Apr 7^th, 2007	Re: 321-185-RF PB BD1 bullet mold by NOE Reply #4 - Jul 15^th, 2018 at 8:45pm	Print Post
	Shot this yesterday withe the 321 185. In my 8.15x46 at 100 4759 cork on powder, large pistol primer breech seated.


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cheatin_charlie Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 425 Location: ohio Joined: Jan 10^th, 2009	Re: 321-185-RF PB BD1 bullet mold by NOE Reply #5 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:21am	Print Post
	What was your twist rate? Looks like one shot tipped quit a bit?


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 321-185-RF PB BD1 bullet mold by NOE Reply #6 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 5:25pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 5:20pm: I shoot those French bullets in my Helm and my Hoch. Good bullets that never tip. Would like to use them more but the NOE bullet mold is a real pain to use. Joe. What is the problem?

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 321-185-RF PB BD1 bullet mold by NOE Reply #7 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:03pm	Print Post
	Joe is the NOE mould Aluminum, Brass or something other than and it sounds like the later?

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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4232 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: 321-185-RF PB BD1 bullet mold by NOE Reply #8 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:29pm	Print Post
	Caliber 0.321 Inches Bullet Weight 185 Grains Bullet Length 1.08 Inches Barrel Twist 16 Inches/turn muzzle velocity 1500 fps Temperature 50 degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard) Pressure 29.92 inches of mercury (29.92 is standard) Sg = 1.30 Caliber 0.321 Inches Bullet Weight 185 Grains Bullet Length 1.08 Inches Barrel Twist 14 Inches/turn muzzle velocity 1500 fps Temperature 50 degrees Fahrenheit (59 is standard) Pressure 29.92 inches of mercury (29.92 is standard) Sg = 1.70 Sg shouldn't be less than 1.4. If Sg is greater than about 2.0, you may gain some accuracy by going to a slower twist barrel. Yes a 14:1 twist is needed for this bullet.


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jfeldman ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1119 Location: Imperial Beach, Ca Joined: Nov 5^th, 2005	Re: 321-185-RF PB BD1 bullet mold by NOE Reply #9 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:57pm	Print Post
	Have to agree about the twist, 16 seems to work ok,(us Joe's have to stick together). Mine comes out of an aluminum single cavity mold at 191.5 grains. Also agree about too many rejects. Conditions were about as nice as you'd want. Regards, Joe


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 321-185-RF PB BD1 bullet mold by NOE Reply #10 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:45pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 6:13pm: Two cavity brass. Have yet to figure it out. Joe. Did you try boiling it in water?

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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1021 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: 321-185-RF PB BD1 bullet mold by NOE Reply #11 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 10:31pm	Print Post
	I use this bullet also, agree with westerner, like the bullet not crazy about the moulds, have one in brass and one in aluminum, would prefer one in iron, 15 twist Bresien barrel, 196 gr. Ledball


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Schuetzenmiester Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 6707 Location: Cool Wet Side of WA Joined: Apr 27^th, 2008	Re: 321-185-RF PB BD1 bullet mold by NOE Reply #12 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:11pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Jul 17^th, 2018 at 9:53pm: Yeah, I did everything recommended in another thread on this forum. Have not tried any kind of mold prep. It just don't cast very well. Always a flaw in the bullets. When it casts well is so hot I get stickers sticking out all over and the sprew plate and top of the mold get lead fouled. Joe. What kind of flaw? Mold too tight and air being trapped?

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 7648 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 321-185-RF PB BD1 bullet mold by NOE Reply #13 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:43pm	Print Post
	This is what my twist, stability program says about the 321323 bullet. It takes into account the center of gravity of a projectile. Frank

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 7648 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 321-185-RF PB BD1 bullet mold by NOE Reply #14 - Jul 17^th, 2018 at 11:53pm	Print Post
	I've also had trouble casting with the brass blocks but, I can usually get them working after taking a stiff toothbrush to them, using hot water, Boraxo and disk soap mixed together. Try this several times. Do this when you first get them. I think that the coolant that they use, causes the problem and it bakes in, if not cleaned first. I've had more trouble with some of the aluminum block but, not all of them. After about 30 casting sessions, I finally got one of my aluminum molds to fill out, like it's suppose to. I casted w/o cleaning first Frank

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