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Does anyone hunt using breachseated cast bullets
Jul 5th, 2018 at 8:42pm
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I was just wondering.
I breachseat cast bullets for better accuracy in my rifles but can use fixed as well.
Anyone hunt breach seated.
Surely no worse than muzzle loading.
Specially with a plugged case.
Or should I just get out more.
  
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Re: Does anyone hunt using breachseated cast bullets
Reply #1 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 9:28pm
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Interesting thought, but it never crossed my mind. I hunt with fixed ammo, but I see no reason a guy couldn't breech seat before he started his hunt, and then simply shoot the gun at the end of the day if he didn't see game?
Of course you'd have to make sure the first shot counted! But that's a good idea anyway.
  

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Reply #2 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 9:36pm
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Toyed with it a bit, with intention to breech seat a bullet just before start of 1st day's hunting and leave that bullet there until fired at game or end of hunting. Had good supply of loaded cases in case had to remove first one and lost powder. Had fixed ammo for second, etc. shots. But results with fixed ammo were just as good in that rifle, so, never tried it.
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 10:50pm
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Unless you're hunting prairie dogs at long range why bother? I doubt that the accuracy difference between breach seated and fixed means anything when hunting big game and shooting at reasonable distances.

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Reply #4 - Jul 5th, 2018 at 11:00pm
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Easily done but I am also not so sure it might end up with a game animal having to suffer needlessly should the first shot not go quite as planned.

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Reply #5 - Jul 6th, 2018 at 1:06am
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Well I was thinking having fixed as back up if needed.

I use a wad or filler sometimes which stops the powder spillage.
Extracting the case and replacement is not a hassle.
I have a piece  of copper tube Filled with lead that knocks out the bullet or the odd tight case when let free fall from the muzzle.

I don’t shoot dangerous game.
Maybe a pig.
Yes dancing around trying to breach seat a bullet while dodging slashing tusks might not be all that fun.....except for the onlookers.
I’m more of a sampler of tasty morsels than big game hunter.
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 6th, 2018 at 2:06am
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What would be the point of BSing the first shot?  BSing with preloaded cases would definitely be less clumsy and faster than ML.
  

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Reply #7 - Jul 6th, 2018 at 2:30pm
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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 2:06am:
What would be the point of BSing the first shot?  BSing with preloaded cases would definitely be less clumsy and faster than ML.


In my case, rationale was based on following:
1) Only once in decades of rifle hunting have I needed a second shot. And that was with a turnbolt, which can be easily BSed by removing bolt, so 2nd shot could be as quick as normal.
2) Breech seating is often touted as way to get higher velocities than can be obtained with fixed, while maintaining acceptable chamber pressures. This could be useful if hunting in areas where longer shots at game are likely or if heavier loads are required or more suited. 
3) Reloading with fixed will take no longer than normal, even with single shot rifle.

In practice, especially given that I have two hunting rifles, I take the one offering 200+M range, instead of 150M max, if longer shots are likely. However, longest hunting shot was only 150M max, most are 70-80M or less.
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 6th, 2018 at 3:51pm
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Seems like having two velocities in  a hunting rifle would be detrimental if a follow up shot were required.  It may not happen often, but one never knows when an animal will move at the precise moment the trigger lets off.   Happened to me the only time I needed a follow up.
  

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Reply #9 - Jul 6th, 2018 at 4:27pm
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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Jul 6th, 2018 at 3:51pm:
Seems like having two velocities in  a hunting rifle would be detrimental if a follow up shot were required.  It may not happen often, but one never knows when an animal will move at the precise moment the trigger lets off.   Happened to me the only time I needed a follow up.


Maybe, maybe not. In either case, I never had to deal with that cause the group sizes favored fixed ammo quite decisively. 

In real world of my hunting, if target was a turkey, that could easily be a criteria favoring fixed ammo because of small target area of turkey, unless you are willing to ruin the breast meat. For deer or elk shot in heart/lungs, there is not demand for same level of precision. 

Perhaps more important, I have never had time for second shot on deer or elk because they nearly always ran away immediately after shot and collapsed shortly thereafter. SOP is to get off good shot and give shot critter time to fall and die (sometimes 5-10 min) after running less than 100M, sometimes less than 20M, and often no longer in sight. Kinda like using muzzle loader and smoke obscures what critter did.
  
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Reply #10 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 12:08pm
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I've had several deer and one elk that didn't run away after the first shot, and didn't drop at the shot either. Not unusual for a deer to be hit mortally and have them stand there long enough for me to load another round, and then as I was squeezing the trigger have them drop out of my sights.
I had one mule deer who stood there long enough for me to get a 2nd shot into him, but I found out after skinning the 2nd shot wasn't needed. The two hits were 1.5" apart, but the buck didn't know he was dead after the first shot. He simply stood there looking around as if he wondered where the noise came from.
  

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Reply #11 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 12:23pm
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marlinguy wrote on Jul 7th, 2018 at 12:08pm:
I've had several deer and one elk that didn't run away after the first shot, and didn't drop at the shot either. Not unusual for a deer to be hit mortally and have them stand there long enough for me to load another round, and then as I was squeezing the trigger have them drop out of my sights.
I had one mule deer who stood there long enough for me to get a 2nd shot into him, but I found out after skinning the 2nd shot wasn't needed. The two hits were 1.5" apart, but the buck didn't know he was dead after the first shot. He simply stood there looking around as if he wondered where the noise came from.


After over 20 deer & elk, never had that happen. Never heard of it happening from outfitters or hunting buddies. Have shot sleeping foxes that hardly moved after single, instant killing shot.
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 2:19pm
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Vall I have experienced the same the Buck was shot bedded down under a tree. He stood up looked all around as if not shot and then collapsed right where he stood while in the process of taking another shot. 

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Reply #13 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 3:36pm
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Well I've only taken 3 elk, but one did the stand there routine, and then finally dropped. Taken over 50 mule deer and had a number of them stand there like they heard a shot, but didn't know what to do until they finally dropped.
Maybe I'm just lucky? Or maybe others are just unlucky? I've never had very many deer stumble off either after being hit? Maybe 3 or 4 that did so. Most just dropped stone dead at the first shot, or maybe kicked and rolled downhill into a draw. Always hated dropping a buck on a steep hillside and then after a clean kill have them kick a little and roll 100 yds. deeper into the draw they stood on!
  

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Reply #14 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 4:30pm
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Vall,

Your experiences sound normal to me.
Of the deer and elk I've taken, only four have moved (short distances) after being shot, and all four had been very nervous and traveling beforehand... after opening them up, those four all had bullet holes through the heart, and they fell when there wasn't any blood left to pump.
All others fell where they stood, or within a foot or two.
Head shots... all have dropped like a big sack of feed hitting the floor.
Nowadays, on steep hillsides, I only shoot uphill (sights always below the crest line)... it took awhile, but I finally learned to stay out of those steep brush-choked draw bottoms... they aren't as fun as they once were.    Grin

 
  

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