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Sheered Bullet Bases
Jun 22nd, 2018 at 10:18am
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A sharp base on your bullet results in the best accuracy.
Some people use a nose pour mould to get a good base; however I use base pour moulds.

Also the greatest variation in bullet weights is due to a high sprue or a divet when cutting the sprue off.


To provide perfectly the same height without a high sprue or a divet I cut off the sprue with the sharpened back edge of the sprue plate.


I have a loose sprue plate that I lift up to result in a high sprue on the base.


Then I slide the back edge of the sprue back over the face  of the mold to sheer off the base.


You cut the sprue off before the metal hardens and then sheer the bullet base while the metal is still soft.


This prevents sheering out divets or pushing the edge of the bullet in after it hardens too much.


The result is more consistent bullet weights with sharp flat bases that provide better accuracy.
  
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Reply #1 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 11:06am
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Flat and sharp edged bases are nice to have but I have also found uniformed hand beveled bases to be a bit more consistent for me. Everyone has a different approach and which ever one works out to be the best for you is indeed the one you should use.

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Reply #2 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 11:22am
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Have y'all played with the angle (and sharpness) of the cone in the sprue cut-off plate?

  

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Reply #3 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 1:14pm
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CW the sprue cut off needs to be sharp and the plate flat. The later not being typically what I have found on most new moulds so I generally have to hand lap them flat on a thick piece of flat glass. This also leaves a very sharp cutting edge once the plate is lapped perfectly flat. I have also found the sprue plate hole size to also be a bit important and if to large it will push lead to the edge of the bases and not cleanly cut the sprue off. If to small the bases don't want to completely fill out so there is a bit of a fine line to find just the right combination based on the bullet size. Having the spare cut off centered in the bullet I have also found to be very helpful. The ultimate goal for me is to try and achieve a perfectly balanced bullet and if one pushes lead towards the edge of the base when cutting off the sprue or inducing air pockets by using pour casting practices being even the more typical it just isn't going to happen. 

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Reply #4 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 1:28pm
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The edge is a 90 degree sharp edge; but the loose spruce plate is angled a few degrees as you sheer across the bullet base.

I sharpen the edge to be a straight line by putting the edge of the spruce plate on a belt sander.


The belt sander sharpens it quick and straight.
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 1:59pm
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All my casting molds have the sprue plate adjusted so when the mold is 'flipped' holding the handles, the plate swings open freely.  Then when casting, after a 5 second pour count, I cut the sprue with downward pressure on the plate on the top of mold halves = nice flat bullet bases
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 4:43pm
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I knock the sprue plate open, move it back over the base/s but no sprue shows thru the holes, whack the sprue plate to make the base/s flat, "coining" the bullet/s. Beware the bent sprue plate, often spoken of by "experts", but never seen on my molds.

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Reply #7 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 6:28pm
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Thanks JoeB if the sprue plate is lapped flat and adjusted correctly there is not need for whacking the bases flat. Actually it can be a bit hard on the alignment pin holes and while on the subject the pins are not always adjusted correctly on a new mould and something else one should always check. And periodically as the holes continue to wear from use. 

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Reply #8 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 6:46pm
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Dave you are indeed correct it is indeed nice not to have the sprue plate bevel go all the way down to the bottom of the spure hole. Leaving about 20 thou. or so straight sided will still allow the sprue to drop out and the cut off in the base quite a bit cleaner. Unfortunately it's not typically the way they come and the only real way to correct it is to press fit in a new plug, flat lap it and carefully re-cut it and the same goes for a not well centered hole and I have done several for myself. 

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Reply #9 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 9:18pm
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JLouis wrote on Jun 22nd, 2018 at 1:14pm:
CW the sprue cut off needs to be sharp and the plate flat. The later not being typically what I have found on most new moulds so I generally have to hand lap them flat on a thick piece of flat glass. This also leaves a very sharp cutting edge once the plate is lapped perfectly flat. I have also found the sprue plate hole size to also be a bit important and if to large it will push lead to the edge of the bases and not cleanly cut the sprue off. If to small the bases don't want to completely fill out so there is a bit of a fine line to find just the right combination based on the bullet size. Having the spare cut off centered in the bullet I have also found to be very helpful. The ultimate goal for me is to try and achieve a perfectly balanced bullet and if one pushes lead towards the edge of the base when cutting off the sprue or inducing air pockets by using pour casting practices being even the more typical it just isn't going to happen. 

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Hmmm.  I had a friend (in the metrology lab) measure the flatness (with a CMM) of 5 or 6 sprue plates (new) that I had - all were within .001 or a LITTLE more of being flat.  (Just did it for a point of reference.)

  

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Reply #10 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 9:47pm
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Who's mould CW? 

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Reply #11 - Jun 22nd, 2018 at 11:00pm
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JLouis wrote on Jun 22nd, 2018 at 9:47pm:
Who's mould CW? 

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These were two cavity Lyman.  Bought as a group from someone many years back.  No wear on them - looked new.
  

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Reply #12 - Jun 23rd, 2018 at 12:38am
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What is this with "whacking" the sprue plate?  I cast wearing leather welders' gloves.  I just grab the tang on the plate and wrench it around.   

The idea of doing a second shearing operation is intriguing, however.
  

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Reply #13 - Jun 23rd, 2018 at 9:47am
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I use high heat oven gloves inside XL leather gloves.

This allows me to handle the hot shear plate without getting burned.

When I first started I whacked the sprue plate with a wood dowel as I was advised by the experts of the day.
After about 50,000 rounds I had pounded the lock pin holes so loose the bullet was coming .007`out of round.
No more whacking of my moulds and they last forever.
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 23rd, 2018 at 12:00pm
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I konk the hinge of the handles if I have to, but I'd rather take a smack to my own noggin before I'll beat on the blocks anywhere. Can't be anything but trouble down the road with that. 
The other day I dropped my favorite mold coming back inside- I'm afraid of what I may have cause just with that one ding. And, I don't know just where that contact took place when it hit the floor. Pray for me. Embarrassed
  
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