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Winchester 680, wc680 usefulness, anyone?
May 28th, 2018 at 2:55pm
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I know full well the capabilities of my stash of 680 for supermags and hornets and the like.

Since 680 is a tad slower than 820, 110, 296, lilgun......

Does it have any usefulness that is documented or experienced in days of old for single shot rifle Work in 32-40, 32-20, 32 millers and the like?

I have access to my 32 Lb stash and as well access to a 150 lbs stash.
I’d be willing to appropriate more from the big stash if it has a service in single shot rifles as experienced by you seasoned shooters. I know it has an end of days coming but 100 lbs goes a LONG way and may prove to be my lifetime.

If it does and some TN or nearby locals can use it, I may drag it across the country (that might make it worthy of hauling here) not for profit but to feed a need.

Appreciate the experience reflecting, not after raw data or loads..... just generalities that are founded.

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Re: Winchester 680, wc680 usefulness, anyone?
Reply #1 - May 28th, 2018 at 3:54pm
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It is my understanding that AA1680 is the same powder & data can be interchanged. You more experienced Winchester powder users jump in and correct me if I am wrong. I have used it in 218 Bee & 32-20. I have about 6 lbs. I think Men Waters has some listings for it in his Pet Loads book and I've seen some for 630. Not into the Winchester powders as the Alliant, Hodgon & IMR did most everything I wanted done. Best I remember the results were good in the Bee.
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Re: Winchester 680, wc680 usefulness, anyone?
Reply #2 - May 28th, 2018 at 5:47pm
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I would not interchange data between 680 & 1680 as 680 is approx 5-7 % faster than 1680 & about on par with 4227. 1680 is approx 5-7% faster than 4198. This is by actual firing in a pressure gun.  Both are very usable powders. Hope this helps.
  
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Re: Winchester 680, wc680 usefulness, anyone?
Reply #3 - May 28th, 2018 at 7:59pm
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Western powders chart shows wc680 as being the slowest of all the family and is notably slower than 1680, albeit folks interchange per internet lore, definitely not same.
Hence my concern for my stash of 680, it doesn’t behave like 1680 in cartridges I use it in. Outperforms by a large margin, slower for sure.

  
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Reply #4 - May 28th, 2018 at 8:12pm
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I believe 780 is the slowest of the line and this is what can get some into some very undue trouble if not checking for sure before moving on. 

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Reply #5 - May 29th, 2018 at 9:12am
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Glad the more informed showed up. I appreciate the info & correction.never used much Win. Powder except for 748 for .223 and 231 for 45acp.
I don't use internet loads unless can be verified in a published manual.
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Reply #6 - May 29th, 2018 at 12:09pm
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It appears WXR, 785 and WMR are even slower than 780 with WMR being the slowest.

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Reply #7 - May 29th, 2018 at 12:26pm
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Jlouis, please see I’m inquiring about the fastest of WW rifle powders, the slowest of the pistol powders, 680, not a slow rifle Powder. 

680, ball, fastest of dbl base rifle powders, made now only by st. Marks for 7.62x39 service. Pulled from shelves in the 70s. Still stockpiled by a few like me and most notable for 22 hornet, 7.62x39, m1 carbine and all supermag series and high cap mag pistol cases. I have access to several hundred pounds  (for the second time in my life) and wondering about use in reduced load single shot cartridges.
  
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Reply #8 - May 29th, 2018 at 12:52pm
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Click on the below link and scroll down to burn Rate Chart and open it and it might be more helpful to you. 

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Re: Winchester 680, wc680 usefulness, anyone?
Reply #9 - May 29th, 2018 at 2:05pm
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It's not in common use for Schuetzen cartridges, as you know so, this is my suggestion.

Buy it, if it's cheap! Powder ONLY goes up, in price. Resale it if it doesn't work out, for your needs.

As for it's use, since it's slower powder, the main concern in using it, is for it to burn clean. Check that first, using a chronograph at a speed of ~1500 fps.

For starting data, start with a charge that is 1.0 gr more than 296. One of the more successful 32/40 shooters, uses 15.0 gr of 296 and a 230 gr bullet in a strong action. 

If you can't get accuracy by ~1600 fps with PB bullets, start thinking of it as a powder for GC Bullets. If you don't find accuracy in PB, I think you may find it in GC loads. The pressure range that it was designed for, is ~40K CUP and that is the range that many CBA, target class shooters work in.

And then.......... if you have a auto-loader, in 7.62x39, that is what Olin, actually designed it for and that's what will make it easy to resale and make a profit, while your at it.

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