I find this discussion very interesting , but as a naturally lazy person I try to do as little as I can get away with to achieve acceptable results . What size groups (at 100yds & 200yds.)do you strive to reach ?
Dales

Dale's 1/2 inch and under at 100yds. and the smallest I can achieve at 200yds. dependant on the day but if not if at least around an 11/4 there is very little hope of keeping them in the 25 ring and it leaves a very small margin of error at that. The fault I see mostly is the lack of one spending enough time on the sighter to insure ones rifle is tuned for at least that before going for record. The other not spending enough time to pick the right condition to do it in for the day.  Example at our recent ISSA Regional in May and in the anysight match I had a bit over 25 shots on my sigther target to accomplish both before going for the recorded scores. If not doing so it would have really just boiled down to a hope and a prayer and the conditions some of the worst I have seen for awhile.. It's all about working into having full confidence and knowing full well if you do your part and are able to call each of your shots you will do just fine when all is said and done and it will be a very successful day.

JLouis

JLouis wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 1:57pm:


As JL always points out the scores that I shoot, at are in the lower range, I must point out his scores that he speaks of, above.

244 and a 247. 

Maybe more foulers would have helped or maybe he was indexing his case wrong? Or maybe he just didn't hope and pray enough?

Sorry guy's but, he shouldn't mind as, he does this to me at any opportunity he can. Right JL?

Frank

Don't pay no mind to Frank it's not what you shoot but where you place and in this instance the ISSA Regional it was 2nd. for any sight, first for irons and the same for grand agg.. Dale when shooting a match I sight in on the #21 on the ASSRA AS target at 12:00 o'clock. The only goal is to get my vertical dispersion down to it's very minimum and typically around 1 inch or a bit less while having no concern with the horizontal and just only the vertical dispersion for now. Once I have this fully established I will work on the horizontal and it is all basically conditions at this point. So I now just look for the best usable prevailing condition to shoot and after finding I have now established my hold off for that condition. I will then go to the 25 ring to verify it and if good I will then go for the recorded scores but not before. If not I then drop down to the #21 at six o'clock and continue to work on it and then back up to the 25 ring to verify. The only exception is time sometimes will force me to go before fully being ready to my own complete satisfaction. But if so I will generally have a good enough handle on it to remain in the top three and always my goal. In regards to groups it would be 5 shot at a 100 and 10 at 200 and the reason for the later is score shooting is basically the same as group shooting. Don I should add and clarify all though the horizontal is my second real concern I am paying real close attention to the conditions in order to get my verticle down it being the first and foremost. When moving onto the horizontal it is more about how much and how far the wind and mirage moves my bullet the direction is pretty much well established when working on the vertical  

I hope this is all somehow very helpful to you.
JLouis

Frank if you are going to try to make an honest and valid point instead of the same ole meaningless trying to pick on me BS please make one that is at least comparable as in your instance you came in dead last and I in 2nd. 

Sorry folks this subject has been very productive and I hope to continue it as such but not sure about a few of the others at this point who as always seem to have another agenda. 
JLouis

200 yards for the 10 shot group.

This is 5 shots at 200 yards but, it was using my 33 ELCO Max, with multiple Remington cases and no indexing. I use 12 cases with it.

Frank

Would like to see lathe picture set ups for turning brass. I need to skim off about .0005 of any high spots for even neck tension.

21/2 tenths per side being consistently being taken off is asking alot out of any setup and I am not really sure if it is even doable. 

JLouis