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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2102 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Non lead casting alloy Apr 30^th, 2018 at 4:12pm	Print Post
	My brother lives in California and will soon be confronted with having to use non-lead bullets for hunting, June of 2019. Years ago I gave him a hiwall in 45-70 that he used to hunt with me in Wyoming. My question is, is anyone aware of a successful non lead alloy for casting bullets? In my limited search, it appears that a no lead babbit metal might work, as it has about the same melting temperature, albeit lighter and harder. If anyone could shed some light on this problem any replies would be greatly appreciated. I of course mentiond moving as the best solution, but that is not in the cards, grandchildren, lifelong friends etc. thanks Krag

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Non lead casting alloy Reply #1 - Apr 30^th, 2018 at 4:26pm	Print Post
	Roto Metals sells it but have no clue how well it works. Click on the below Link it should take you right to it. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) JLouis

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colo native Oldtimer Offline Posts: 760 Location: Barren Ridge, Va Joined: Dec 27^th, 2007	Re: Non lead casting alloy Reply #2 - Apr 30^th, 2018 at 5:01pm	Print Post
	some call it woodsmetal , google it


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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2102 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Non lead casting alloy Reply #3 - Apr 30^th, 2018 at 6:50pm	Print Post
	Jlouis - thanks much for your reply. I did look it up, and it is 88% Bismuth 12% tin, at about $16 per lb. Pricey, but maybe the only choice for now, worth a try. One review, said that he was able to get high velocity in an 06, but a net weight reduction of 29%. I will order some and see what happens. Again thanks Krag

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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2102 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Non lead casting alloy Reply #4 - Apr 30^th, 2018 at 6:58pm	Print Post
	colo native - thanks for your reply. I did check on it, but from what I could find, it does contain 29% lead, so would not workn for this situation. Krag

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Jeff_Schultz ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1660 Location: Ransomville, NY Joined: Apr 25^th, 2004	Re: Non lead casting alloy Reply #5 - Apr 30^th, 2018 at 7:38pm	Print Post
	I would ignore the law and accept the consequences if apprehended.

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rgchristensen Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1188 Joined: Jan 2^nd, 2014	Re: Non lead casting alloy Reply #6 - Apr 30^th, 2018 at 7:54pm	Print Post
	Well, there is pure tin, pewter, and other alloys that are quite castable. Even zinc -- there used to be a bunch of pistol shooters using that. Don't use it in a lead pot that you may want to use again, tho. Or machine slugs out of bronze or copper. CHRIS RGChristensen


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 3970 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Non lead casting alloy Reply #7 - Apr 30^th, 2018 at 8:05pm	Print Post
	I dont know what casting zinc bullets would be like, but I remember them being around for a while. I was given a couple hundred zinc pistol bullets about thirty years back. I cannot recall the weight, but I shot 'em in a .44spl Colt that I was fond of. They shot pretty well, and I was sorry when they were gone. It was one of the few times I liked hard bullets in anything. For what it's worth.....


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Non lead casting alloy Reply #8 - Apr 30^th, 2018 at 8:07pm	Print Post
	Trump revoked the lead Ban but I am not sure if Ca. Is going to honor it and if caught the first offense is a $500.00 fine but not sure if you also loose your hunting privlages I didn't see it clearly stated. JLouis

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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2102 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Non lead casting alloy Reply #9 - Apr 30^th, 2018 at 8:16pm	Print Post
	Jlouis - Sure glad I moved. It turns out that RotoMetals is only 30 miles or so from my brother, and he is coming to visit late May, so pehaps he can bring it for me to try, and save shipping. Of course it is possible that there is an export fee to try to boost the states coffers! Thanks again Krag

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Non lead casting alloy Reply #10 - Apr 30^th, 2018 at 8:46pm	Print Post
	When buying from RotoMetals any purchase over 99.00.and the shipping is free should you have a need of what they have to offer for your self someday. They have been staunch supporters for our yearly ISSA Regionals and freely donanting Hats, T-Shirts and 5lb. Bars of premixed alloys yearly for our prize by raffel tables. JLouis

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JerryH Frequent Elocutionist Offline ASSRA Member #10876 Posts: 1327 Location: Easton, CA Joined: Nov 9^th, 2014	Re: Non lead casting alloy Reply #11 - Apr 30^th, 2018 at 9:09pm	Print Post
	A friend went through this a few years ago. He cast some bullets out of pure tin and took them to DF&G here in CA. They had them tested and gave him some sort of certified document that he was to show any wardens that checked him. He said the tin bullets shot horrible, but looking at loaded ammo you really couldn't tell the difference between the tin and lead alloy bullets. Personally I wouldn't risk his approach, but would check with DF&G about getting some type of paperwork from them to show in the field. A warden looking at lead-free ammo would probably not believe they weren't lead. JerryH

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Marlene Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 276 Joined: Oct 30^th, 2015	Re: Non lead casting alloy Reply #12 - Apr 30^th, 2018 at 9:16pm	Print Post
	The current copper hunting bullets (Barnes and Hornady) for 45-70 seem to work quite well. I'd definitely look for a way to test if the lead-free casting alloy holds together on impact.


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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Non lead casting alloy Reply #13 - Apr 30^th, 2018 at 9:23pm	Print Post
	Just curious as to how they are going to field check this? Similar to Illinois rules that require handgun deer hunting ammo has to have 500 Foot pounds of energy. Put your ammo in the correct factory ammo box and are they going to take your ammo to a lab and test it? Same with lead bullets. Enforcement could be interesting and you are supposed to be innocent untill proven guilty in this country.


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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2102 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Non lead casting alloy Reply #14 - Apr 30^th, 2018 at 10:24pm	Print Post
	Ban lead, and only outlaws will have it. Again thanks to all, and I have taken notes of your suggestions. KRAG

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