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Mar 20th, 2018 at 4:20pm
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I have been trying to get a handle on Rust Bluing by boiling the parts after swabbing on the solution.  Have been using Brownell's Dicropan IM.  First try was o.k. but not great.  Worked out a cleaner I like and a procedure.  I was wearing Latex gloves to keep skin oil off the parts but was getting a failure of the solution to wet out after the 2nd pass.  Today I noticed a sticky feel at the first carding and re-cleaned the barrel, put on a pair of Dry Cotton Gloves and had no problem.  Read once about a clean pair of gloves after each pass and I will be doing that from now on. No more Latex gloves for me.  Gave up on Steel Wool for carding and have been using a Stainless Steel "Brillo Pad" that I got at the grocery store.   Hope this helps someone.  David
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 5:37pm
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Good you found your problem.
I use a Home mixed neidner, I spent the big money on components to mix quantity.
I’m guessing the steel wool was still contaminated
I use acetone to leach out the bulk of the oil and then boil twice the wool in tspand once in clear water.
It can have a ton of oil in it to prevent rust and who knows what else they are putting on it now. Maybe even silicone. The stainless you won’t have issue with!
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:15pm
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Laurel Mountain Forge Barrel Browning and Degreaser works well for me. Three hours in a sweat box and it's ready to boil and card. Also use a .0025 stainless wire wheel for carding the parts. The link will take you to Brownell's. I use the four row wheel.

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I'm certainly no expert at this but my barrels and other parts turn out fine.

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I'm not a complete idiot, some of my parts are missing.
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Reply #3 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:39pm
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Jerry's is being a bit modest and I would not hesitate to do as he does. 

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Reply #4 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 8:59pm
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I'll second JerryH on the Laurel Mtn browning solution. I started out with it and after reading about troubles others have with other products I'm sticking with it. It is very forgiving to use for rust bluing.
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 21st, 2018 at 11:41am
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The better quality grocery store rubber gloves work for rust bluing. You can get them in large sizes.
Wash them regularly on your hands with hot water, a scrub brush and Ivory bar soap.
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Reply #6 - Mar 21st, 2018 at 12:29pm
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For those who card with 0000 steel wool (I do), you can get oil-free steel wool. No need to degrease the hardware store stuff. I use Liberon brand, found at most any fine woodworking supply house.

I degrease with acetone, and wear nitrile gloves which I change out every time I handle the parts. So far after a dozen guns I haven't experienced any problems, knock on wood. After using Laurel Mountain, Brownell's, and Bob's solutions I can't say that I have a favorite- they all work well IMO.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 21st, 2018 at 5:25pm
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I am no fan of rust bluing now.

Had mine professionally done and looked really good but I found out: 

Never Never!!! get a spot of rain on it even if it is oiled.

Just a spot of rain that did not get wiped off imediately ended up a rust crater.
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 21st, 2018 at 6:13pm
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Just a spot of rain that did not get wiped off imediately ended up a rust crater.

  Must be acid rain from Asia. Cold rust blue is the most durable of all.
  

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Reply #9 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 5:55pm
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Schuetzendave wrote on Mar 21st, 2018 at 5:25pm:
I am no fan of rust bluing now.

Had mine professionally done and looked really good but I found out: 

Never Never!!! get a spot of rain on it even if it is oiled.

Just a spot of rain that did not get wiped off imediately ended up a rust crater.


I've hunted more than a few time in some really wet weather/evirons, Never Never!!! had a rust problem on a rust blued rifle.
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 8:15pm
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I do not know what solution was used to rust blue my rifle.

I never had rusting problems on hot blued rifles like this rust blued barrel.

It turned out to be a big disappointment for me.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 3:11pm
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I use soft wire wheel sold by brownells as well. Have it in my lathe between head and tail stock mounted on a piece of all thread. I use cotton gloves. Haven't had a rust issue. The product I've used also from brownells is called mark lee.

I swab solution on with cotton swabs also from brownells, those mounted on a wire handle, disposable type.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 4:53pm
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If I had a way or you know of a way to ship bluing solution, I'm happy to part off a 4oz bottle of my homebrew neidners for someone to at least experiment with. I have 6 here, brown glass chemical bottles full and ready.... Its been aging for over a year.
You can always coat with BLO after. Ads a tiny bit of sheen but its rock hard and removable. Not sure, its an acid but Midway ships the stuff like Mark Lee, not sure if it has to go a certain way, is hazmat, etc. Cant be hazmat.......

I cant get my test parts to rust. Its durable, especially when you get 5-6 passes in.

4 oz will last you a LONG TIME.

Plus you can brown with it. Just don't boil it.
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:40pm
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I used Brownells Classic on the last 3 barrels.  I Perdsolli and 2 Green Mountain.  Polish to 320 grit, clean with with asitone, apply solution to directions. Card with 000 stealwool. Repeat every day for a month. Not a quick process.   
I was trying for brown so didn't boil. The Perdsolli ended brown  the 2 GM turned blue.  All done at the same time ,same conditions. Boxed, 70°,  90% humidity. Carded for a week daily and then oiled. No rust after a year. Good deep brown on the Perdsolli and dark blue grey on the GM barrels, looks like a good antique military rust blue. I'm happy with the results so far. I have 2 more rolling blocksin the process and we'll see how they turn out.
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Reply #14 - Mar 26th, 2018 at 12:14am
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Every day for a month ?
  
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