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Hopkins and Allen extractor
Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:25pm
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Hi all. While I am waiting on some tooling to finish my Hepburn project. I thought I would do some work on an old Hopkins and Allen / Merwin and Hulbert 22lr single shot that I have had lying around. it is very similar to a 922 but has no model numbers. It is serial numbered and all parts are matching numbers. It has no rear barrel sight on it but does have an adjustable tang sight. I also has a pistol grip stock similar to a Hepburn and a hooked crescent butt plate on it. the barrel is removable with a tapered screw coming in from the right side with a locking screw coming in from the front under the forearm to lock the barrel screw down so it wont loosen.  It is missing the extractor. and screw. I have made a new scew for the extractor but cant seem to get an extractor made that works. does anyone have an extra around they want to sell? or can I get a good drawing or multiple angle picture of one? Oh it is a side extractor on the left side of the chamber.
Also anyone have any info on this.
  
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Re: Hopkins and Allen extractor
Reply #1 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:35pm
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I had the same problem with a H&A 922 some time ago.  I ended up using the drawings in DeHaas' book as a pattern and made one from scratch.  You can figure the thickness easily enough from the slot width.  It really wasn't too hard once I started with the drawing from DeHaas.   
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Reply #2 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 4:50pm
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thanks, I used to have a drawing from Fieldman here. that is what I tried to make one from and really buggered it up. is yours flat or does it have a dog leg bend in it?

Dont own Dehaas's book but may need to buy it.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 5:36pm
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The sane topic was discussed about 20 posts ago.  I made an extractor for the 9 o'clock version.  The one posted on the post a few days ago was for the 6 o'clock variety.
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 6:51pm
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fishoot wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 5:36pm:
The sane topic was discussed about 20 posts ago.  I made an extractor for the 9 o'clock version.  The one posted on the post a few days ago was for the 6 o'clock variety. 

I found one on the six oclock extractor but not on the 9 oclock. would you mind posting a link or the thread title.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:44pm
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I did the same as Bnelson - made my own.  DesertDude on here has also worked on making these and you might try contacting him with a PM.

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Reply #6 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 10:08am
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thank you Joe, I found the sketch that you sent me a while ago also. does this just float on the pin away from the receiver wall? I was trying to put a kind of dogleg bend in mine to keep the pivot next to the wall, thinking it should be over where the notch in the BB can hit it at the bottom of the levers stroke.

  
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Reply #7 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 10:49am
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Yes S-P, I just let mine float.  The 9 o'clock slot seems to keep it in the right place.

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Reply #8 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 10:54am
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ok thank you Ill try another without the bends and see if I can make it work.
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 22nd, 2018 at 12:26am
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Pictures?   I do not know of a 922 size .22 with the 9:00 extractor.  Is it a medium frame?  

Yes, in all of the ones I have had contact with, the extractor just floats on the axle and the one in my medium frame .22 LR is absolutely flat.  To work properly, it should be as tight in the barrel slot as possible and still move freely.  The slot is the only thing that guides it. A loose slot lets it jump the rim far too easily.    

I believe the design was chosen because it will work with differing caliber barrels, maybe just to make production cheaper.  But I once saw a medium frame with three barrels for sale at a Michigan gun show.  All were centerfire; one was a shotgun barrel. All three used the same extractor.  Whether it left the factory as a set I do not know, and neither did the seller.  The case was a work of art.   
  

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Reply #10 - Feb 22nd, 2018 at 8:37am
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[Pictures?   I do not know of a 922 size .22 with the 9:00 extractor.  Is it a medium frame?]

Mine is marked "Junior"

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Reply #11 - Feb 22nd, 2018 at 11:04am
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Here is  a picture I made my extractor from.  I will add another pic in next post
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 22nd, 2018 at 11:05am
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picture #2
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 22nd, 2018 at 11:59am
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My 1922 has the 9 o'clock extractor (and not a very good one).
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Reply #14 - Feb 22nd, 2018 at 12:02pm
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The original Junior had a transverse pin through a notch the bottom of the barrel shank holding the barrel, the pin with a ring earlier and later a lever to unscrew it.  Somewhat around the turn of the century, a complete redesign of the frame had a threaded bolt with a ring, like a Stevens Favorite, in the forward bottom of the frame, making the frame slightly longer.  These first new ones had 922, or 925, 932 stamped in a large font plus Junior all between the frame and rear sight.  One of these on gunbroker, about to go off.  Not long after, the font became smaller and the junior was omitted. There was a corporate reorganization about the same time.

Also produced was the fancier 2922 and the scheutzen style 3922.  The 3925 was a bigger frame in 25-20SS.  Still larger frames were 32-40 and 38-55 which were competitors of the Stevens 44, and faded from the market with the transition of smokeless powder.

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