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40-63 Ballard loads
Feb 20th, 2018 at 2:10pm
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I'm looking for load suggestions for my grand old Ballard Pacific 40-63. Started out using 400 + grain lead (20-1) bullets. Too heavy for 1-20 twist. Having Steve Brooks make a mold for 350 grainers. I'll use black powder and realize that's a matter of experimentation, but will appreciate any thoughts.
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:24pm
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Recently acquired one of those myself, and in my reading/research found that they originally used a 330 grain bullet (or sometimes a 300 grainer).  I bought a mold from Accurate -#41-326 tapered - and tweaked the bands a bit to match my chamber cast. Nice round holes at 200 yards and no leading.  I can't help with black powder loads, I was using 4227.

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Reply #2 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 9:03pm
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The .40-63 Ballard was the Everlasting case, so if you have modern cases it would be the .40-70 Ballard. I have a couple Ballards in this caliber, and I tried quite a few bullets. For 200 yds. or less the 400 gr. worked fine for me. But I had molds that dropped 335 and 345 grain bullets, and those work much better at farther distances with the slow twist in the old Ballard barrels.
Can't help with a black powder load since I only shoot smokeless in mine.
  

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Reply #3 - Feb 22nd, 2018 at 11:31am
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Thank you Marlinguy and Jfeldman. That's what I was looking for, and no matter the powder issue. Black powder just has to fill the case (with room for a seated bullet of course) and you experiment from there: wads, primers, bullet designs, etc. I also occasionally use the experimental propellants as well Grin. Thanks again.

  
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Reply #4 - Feb 22nd, 2018 at 11:56am
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I use .405 Hornady brass to make mine. The larger bore of the Ballard requires me to neck turn them, but they work great after that's done.
My Ballard in .40-63 Ballard.

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Reply #5 - Feb 22nd, 2018 at 12:37pm
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I was wondering what you guys use for brass. A friend of mine just bought a Pacific in 40-63 and he asked me what to use. I know the 444 Marlin is the correct base diameter but is too short and the rim isn't correct. The 405 is about .010" or so small at the base but I guess it is OK after fire forming.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 22nd, 2018 at 8:40pm
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I'm using some 9.3 X 74R cases that were supplied by a good friend.  I breech seated mine, so case length wasn't a problem.  From what I've read, it sounds as though the best case might be a brass .410 shotgun case.

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Reply #7 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 1:04am
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Deadeye,
The 40-63 Ballard is virtually the same cartridge as the 40-70 Ballard, but it’s chambered for Everlasting brass which is just a tad thicker. I know Rocky Mountain Cartridge LLC in Worland, Wyoming offers it, and you might find 40-63 at Buffalo Arms, Sandpoint, Idaho, but BACO’s is not Everlasting. RMC brass is, and it’s pricey. I use it exclusively. It will outlast me and my kids. The 40-63 is primarily a black powder cartridge in older Ballard’s, etc. but with caution and common sense you can use smokeless. Just don’t do it in an old rifle with a cast receiver.
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 10:50am
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The .40-63 Ballard Everlasting is the same outside dimensions as the .40-70 Ballard. The differences are internal thickness of the case walls on the Everlasting version.
The .405 is indeed slightly smaller, but that hasn't proven to be an issue after the first firing. I've got some I made from the 9.3x74R also, but the rim diameter is a bit smaller and can occasionally slip off the extractor.
  

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Reply #9 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 1:46pm
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Correct me, if I'm wrong but, I think the 40/70 has a larger diameter neck, to shoot GG bullets?

I do know that you have to neck turn the 40/63, to shoot fixed ammo. I've used 7x57R, 9.3x72R and Hornady 405 Win, in mine. They say that the thinner rims of the 7 & 9.3 can cause headspace problems but, I've not had anything happen in mine. I load them out, when fire forming.

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Reply #10 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:33pm
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Well, I brought home that 40-63 Pacific that my friend had. The bore is like new and now I'll figure out how to load and shoot it. I've got 405 brass and I picked up 100 of those Nosler 9.3 x 74 cases. All I need is bullets. I've got several .408 diameter molds but they will probably be too big. What diameter bullets do you guys shoot? I know I need to slug the bore and I'll do that next week. It's back to the B'more show for the rest of the weekend.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 11:02pm
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I did this several years ago, when you had to make the case out of whatever.  I had some 7x57R cases for a drilling, so I annealed the necks and shoulders with a propane torch, looking for a color change like military 30-06, quenched them in water.  Then stuffed them full of whatever powder I had on hand and poked the necks full of "play dough" and fired them.  A slice of raw potato would work.  Did not split a neck.  They were a little short and the rims aren't quite big enough for my Ballard extractor to completely extract every time.  Need to bonk them with a ball peen hammer next time they are fired.   

I had haunted ebay reloading and I came up with a 330 grain Winchester mold, then wonder of wonders, a Sharps paper patch mold needing a bottom plate which I made.  Cant find my load information tonite, so use your imagination conservatively.

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Reply #12 - Mar 16th, 2018 at 11:13pm
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Deadeye, the bore on mine slugged at .410/.405.  This is the bullet I got from Accurate.  It weighs about 328 gr in 20:1.  I really liked how you could fine tune the band diameters on his website.

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Reply #13 - Mar 17th, 2018 at 9:10am
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The ones I've had had a groove diameter of .410 or a little bigger. I shot .412" diameter 300 grain cast bullets. That was from a lyman mold made for the Winchester .405. They shot really well. No need to shoot a 400 grain bullet if you are only shooting 200 yards. I shot them breech seated. I think fixed loads were made with black powder and a paper patched bullet.
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 17th, 2018 at 9:43am
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Deadeye Bly wrote on Mar 16th, 2018 at 9:33pm:
Well, I brought home that 40-63 Pacific that my friend had. The bore is like new and now I'll figure out how to load and shoot it. I've got 405 brass and I picked up 100 of those Nosler 9.3 x 74 cases. All I need is bullets. I've got several .408 diameter molds but they will probably be too big. What diameter bullets do you guys shoot? I know I need to slug the bore and I'll do that next week. It's back to the B'more show for the rest of the weekend.


A .408" bullet will be too small for any original Ballard .40 caliber rifle, regardless of the cartridge. All my Ballard .40's run .410" or .411" groove diameter. Those on the larger side require me to neck turn .405 Win. brass or they wont chamber with fixed ammo.
  

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