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Re: Minimum velocity for long range target rifle
Reply #30 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:02pm
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Ranch13, I'll see if there is any Olde Eynsford 1f powder around these parts.  I have always been a fan of recoil pads for launching 540 grain lead  Grin   

Old-win, what is the new  scoring method?
  

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Reply #31 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:03pm
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Chris I don't know which is worse the splinters from the 2x4's or the plywood  angle braces in the frame.. Wink
  
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Reply #32 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:08pm
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The way targets are scored now. Value disc is placed at
x&6 at 3 0clock
10 &5 at 5 o'clock
9 at 6 oclock
8 at 7 
7 at 9.
Miss one value disc in the bottom left and right corners.
  
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Reply #33 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:11pm
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It used to be that you put the scoring marker at the top corners for some shots.  Now, everything is from the center of the target edges down with most at the bottom.  That way, your not reaching way up and exposing your arms or hands.
  
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Reply #34 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:12pm
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That is a good idea.  Hate to get stung by a misplaced  45.
  

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Reply #35 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:42pm
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Ranch13, does that only give you one or the other of 2 values and not which one or the location?
  
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Reply #36 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:56pm
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On the 10/5 and the x/6 the score keeper needs a good scope to see where the shot locator disc is.
  
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Reply #37 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 10:08pm
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Old-Win wrote on Feb 20th, 2018 at 7:11pm:
It used to be that you put the scoring marker at the top corners for some shots.  Now, everything is from the center of the target edges down with most at the bottom.  That way, your not reaching way up and exposing your arms or hands. 


I started shooting after the new scoring method started.  Keeping hands out of the way is a very good idea.  The first time I shot at Ben Avery for the all 1000 yard match there were a bunch of kids hired to pull targets.  A couple of times one of them ( obviously pretty tall ) reached up to the bottom of the board while the target was all the way up.  It was scary to look through the spotting scope and see hands appear on the target face.  It took a couple of calls on the radio to get them to realize what they were doing and how dangerous it was.

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Re: Minimum velocity for long range target rifle
Reply #38 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 10:07am
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Ranch, where do you shoot that scores the five.  Here in the Midwest we use six and up.  It's got to be very confusing going from one place to another and have all the different methods of scoring. Bob
  
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Reply #39 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 10:31am
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Well Bob if you shoot matches that include midrange with the long-range, you'll see the 5 ring on the midrange targets. The long range targets do indeed only go out to the 6 ring. No it's not confusing at all, one only needs pay attention.. Altho the 500 yd midrange target does confuse some, as the whole thing fits inside the black of a 600 yard target, and the score rings do go out to the 5, but it is still possible to have a shot on target that doesn't get a score, as if falls outside the scoring rings.
But more directly to your question, the Rocky Mountain regionals, and the nationals at Raton.
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Reply #40 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 11:50am
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Aahh! That explains it. Never shot a mid-range match.. There's one in Lodi once a year but it always conflict's with another match.
  
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Reply #41 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 1:01pm
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Old Win,
Ernie S was NOT a good ballistician. The so called ballistic
limits for long range were WRONG in that they were based upon Pistol type power factors rather than actual
ballistics out to long range. He did us all a great disservice
when he convinced the Raton Committee to use these numbers.
Then there is the old wives tale of BPCR bullets coming into the pits like mortar shells.  Actual angle of our bullets crossing the pits is only 3-5 degrees from the horizontal. PROVEN experimentally by Dan T some years back.
The danger of splinters from  bullets hitting the 2x4 uprights/frame is much mitigated by predominant use of the foam insulating board over the frames.  And HiPower bullets can also splinter 2x4s...
Of course good pit safety should Require use of eyewear protection. 
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Reply #42 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 1:43pm
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Beltfed, the Wyoming State BPCR midrange championship a few years back had the foam board instead of cardboard for the targets, that foam stuff came off in shreds , and was sort of funny looking compared to the cardboard dust.
  
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Reply #43 - Feb 21st, 2018 at 11:25pm
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Ranch 13
May possibly depend on whether the cheap foam "bead" 
PS board was used or was the good
Polystyrene building/sheathing board was used.
Best is the PS board with Foil on both sides. "ITS pink"
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