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Hopkins & Allen 922
Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:11pm
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I am in the process of trying to rejuvenate a very used and abused 922. I've made quite a bit of progress but I am needing help figuring out the extractor for this rifle. Actually a receiver with a few parts would be closer to an accurate description of what I started with. It had the lever, link, breech block, hammer spring and hammer, and the screws to mount the lever and hammer. The rest I will need to find or fabricate. I bought the trigger from Numrich but it needed "fixing". Made some screws and pins, made a new FP, case hardened the screws and FP. Now I need to deal with the missing extractor. It has the 6 o'clock extractor but the extractor was missing so I need to make one from scratch. So I am hoping that someone here has a late model 922 w/the 6 o'clock extractor that they would be willing to take some pictures of and post them here so I don't have to make 3 or 4 while learning for my mistakes. Embarrassed 
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Reply #1 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:14pm
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I attempted to post a link to the build but I was told I couldn't post an active link until I had made one regular post... So here is the link... (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
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Reply #2 - Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:34pm
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The 6:00 extractor is not exactly intuitive to figure out and replicate.  The bottom end is kind of thickened to a triangle form, and that works to extract and eject to some extent.  My 922 parts are all packed away, so can't get to them.  If you can get someone that has one to put it on their scanner and send you a scan, that will be the easiest way to get the profile.  Check with Numrich often; I eventually got a 6:00 one for a 922 after ordering it (back in the mail order days) with every order I sent in for several years.
  
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Re: Hopkins & Allen 922
Reply #3 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:18am
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A Hopkins and Allen rifle I had also needed an extractor.  I got help from this board but my extractor was the 9:00 o'clock version.  I made an extractor for my gun after a couple of failed attempts.  I archived some photos and I believe I have a picture of the 6:00 o'clock variety.   I hope it helps.
  
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Re: Hopkins & Allen 922
Reply #4 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:49pm
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tfrank,
I don't have a way to post pics but if you still need them, I can try to get a couple of good images on the copier and snail mail them to you.
Dave

P.S. The pic that fishoot posted is better quality than I could provide.
  

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Reply #5 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 6:45pm
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fishoot wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 10:18am:
A Hopkins and Allen rifle I had also needed an extractor.  I got help from this board but my extractor was the 9:00 o'clock version.  I made an extractor for my gun after a couple of failed attempts.  I archived some photos and I believe I have a picture of the 6:00 o'clock variety.   I hope it helps.


So 2 questions for you.
Question #1. I have heard that the 9 o'clock extractors are somewhat unreliable in their extraction, and for that reason I was thinking of bending the top end of that 9 o'clock extractor and making it closer to the 7 o'clock extractor design that is in some of the older Stevens Favorites. How has your 9 o'clock extractor worked for you??? Has it been reliable???
Just to clear things up I have two H&A 922's. One with the 9 o'clock extractor and the one I started this thread about which is supposed to have the 6 o'clock extractor.
Question #2. Is that 6 o'clock extractor one that you bought or one that you made from scratch???
Oh and thank you very much for the picture!!!
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Reply #6 - Feb 5th, 2018 at 9:56pm
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I put the "bump" on the other side of my 6 o'clock extractor, so that the roller in the lever will actuate it, instead of having the block actuate it.
Makes it easier for a switch barrel set.



  

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Re: Hopkins & Allen 922
Reply #7 - Feb 6th, 2018 at 2:34am
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Regarding the 9 O'clock extractor, They are very reliable if you make the cut for them, tangent to the chamber. By that, I mean that the cut becomes part of the chamber. The extractor tapers so it doesn't go to far into the chamber and actually supports the case, ahead of the rim, if you make it a close fit.

The biggest draw back to the extractor, is that it doesn't eject and if you push the lever to hard, or don't grab it well enough, it will drop on to the breech block and get stuck in the action. I replace my lever spring a few years ago and found a case that was mangled, under the frame, next to the hammer. It had been there many years but, I didn't know it as, it didn't effect anything. I built the rifle with a Douglas barrel, in '86 so, I know it wasn't in it before that Smiley

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Reply #8 - Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:55am
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My 9 o'clock extractor works fine.  As expected with these guns, it is only and extractor, not an ejector.
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 6th, 2018 at 6:24pm
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Gentlemen, thank you very much for the help!!! And particularly for the picture. I will keep everyone posted on the progress!!!
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Re: Hopkins & Allen 922
Reply #10 - Feb 20th, 2018 at 10:29pm
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Well I got the extractor made, but it doesn't work as well as I had hoped. It will pull a fired case out of the chamber but it doesn't pull it out far enough to allow the case to fall free. I need to turn the rifle upside down and fiddle around with my finger nail to get the fired case to drop out. I suspect that the Bentz chamber might be a contributing factor, but I think I am stuck making a 2nd extractor from scratch. Embarrassed
Fishoot is there any way you can measure the thickness of the extractor at the top where it is part of the chamber??? I'm wondering if I didn't make this extractor fit deep enough into the chamber???
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Reply #11 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:51pm
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Fitting the extractor!!! This is what an extractor looks like before you remove all of the extra material around it!!! A left over piece of mild steel from modifying some "iron fence"!!!
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This is one of the MANY trial fittings as I nibbled away the extra metal with needle files to get the extractor to fit nice and snug in its notch in the bottom of the barrel. 100% hand fitting with needle files.
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The extractor final fitted!!! If it wasn't for the dimple caused by the FP it would almost be impossible to tell where the extractor was when the fired case is inspected!!! I like that!!!
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And this is how far out the extractor will pull a fired case out of the chamber. I have to pick at it with my fingernails, and hold it upside down to get the case to drop free. I am contemplating making a 2nd extractor to see if I can improve in its ability to extract a fired case. An unfired case extracts AND ejects with ease, its just the fired cases that are the problem.
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Re: Hopkins & Allen 922
Reply #12 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 11:57pm
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This model does not eject, it only extracts.  You have to use your fingernails.
  
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Re: Hopkins & Allen 922
Reply #13 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 12:04am
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Just noticed your question about measuring the thickness of the extractor...  mine is the 9 o'clock variety.  I got the picture I posted from another kind soul.  Maybe you could make the extractor curve away from the block and angle the slot down and back so the extractor does not hit the block until it is further down.
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 24th, 2018 at 12:24am
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Just noticed your question about measuring the thickness of the extractor...  mine is the 9 o'clock variety.  I got the picture I posted from another kind soul.  Maybe you could make the extractor curve away from the block and angle the slot down and back so the extractor does not hit the block until it is further down. Here is a picture of what I mean.  The yellow lines show the new shape of the arm between the pivot hole and the extractor hood.
  
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