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anyone using salt bath for annealing brass?
Jan 11th, 2018 at 7:00am
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Reply #1 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 7:59am
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Well I am getting ready to give it a go. Ordered salt Tuesday, have been researching this for awhile. Definitely sounds like a more consistent, easy way to anneal brass. Not that expensive after the initial investment. I think the salt was under 30 bucks for 3 pounds, including shipping. Salt last pretty much forever from what I have read. Will keep you posted and let you know how it goes. Got to get out and shoot the Ballard this mornin, it's suppose to hit 64 degrees today here in Ohio!!!
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Reply #2 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:44am
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I've been using a 60/40 % mix of potassium and sodium nitrate at roughly 700 F for a couple of years.  I have on old Lyman or Lee lead pot with an internal heating element.  I use a PID controller to hit the correct temperature.   

I use a pair of tongs to hold the case and dip it in the salt for maybe 5 to 10 seconds.  Not too deep. I then drop the case in a bowl of water which I keep far from the molten salt. 

It works great but the molten nitrates are somewhat dangerous.  If you get any water of organic material in the hot salt it will explode.  When that happens, according to what I've read, it can set fire to anything organic that it hits.  The nitrates are just like the potassium nitrate in black powder.  I don't think it is much different from playing with molten lead.

I've seen some salt pots that use a plate over the salt pot with holes that fit the case and a shelf under the lid to control the case immersion depth.   I haven't built one of those yet but it seems a good idea.  One could speed up the process if there were say three or four holes.

I also use the salt bath to blue small parts.  They come out really nice.   

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Re: anyone using salt bath for annealing brass?
Reply #3 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 9:52am
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Dave - do you have a good source for the nitrates?

I also like the success you're having at 700dF (more better than my fear of going up to 500-550dC)

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Reply #4 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 12:13pm
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Potassium nitrate is stump killer at garden shops. I'd check the label to be sure. It's easy to look up the melting temp. and doesn't really need the sodium nitrate in it to anneal brass. I've been around splatters and a bubble over of heat treating salts, a little carefulness is sound.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 12:41pm
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Cat,

I just bought the chemicals on Amazon.  I recall I found 4 or 5 pound packages for around $20 each.  I do think you need to use a mix to get a lower melting point but a single salt may work fine.   

I need to check the exact temperature I'm using but I'm not at home.   

BTW..be sure the cases are deprimed or the air inside bubbles out and can cause splashing.  I normally clean the cases first and annealing is the last step.   

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Reply #6 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 12:49pm
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Here is a pretty good set of posts on the 6.5 Creedmore forum that show salt annealing.  The guy uses a 939 F (500 C) melt temp and 5 seconds immersion time.

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Reply #7 - Jan 11th, 2018 at 2:19pm
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UtahDave wrote on Jan 11th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
....The guy uses a 939 F (500 C) melt temp....

I have no qualms with his success. There's an article on accurateshooter called the art and science of annealing, and they give their why's and what for's. They recommend keeping the temp under 800*, and I'll use 750* and have for a while. To me, the main advantage to going this route is the potential for consistency and predictability. No big deal, but I like your 700* a good bit better than than going much north of 900*.

edit to add, I see there was some discussion in your link about the temps, and one of his sources, hightemptools, has been a reliable vendor for me in the past.
  
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