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Reply #15 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 12:41pm
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Dales,
Have you considered breech seating your 22RF ammo?

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Reply #16 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 12:52pm
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.22Hepburn wrote on Jan 5th, 2018 at 11:38am:
"Am planning on trying Eley Match or Tenex"
Then you'll have to try some different lots to see which lot(s) your gun likes best. While you're at it you might also try some Lapua Center X and Midas+.


I've read similar posts in the past, and wonder why anyone would use ammunition that varied from lot to lot? I'd tend to avoid any ammo that was that inconsistent that it changed from one lot to the other. If you liked one lot, what are the odds you'd ever find more of it when you ran out?
  

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Reply #17 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 1:21pm
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One of the best, of the Canadian shots, tried a lot of Eley, then bought a case of that same lot (about $2300-$2500). He then attended, last years Spokane match and that case full of 22's wouldn't shoot competitive targets!!!

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Reply #18 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 1:52pm
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"I've read similar posts in the past, and wonder why anyone would use ammunition that varied from lot to lot?"

The reality is that lots of the same brand of ammo vary in performance. That's the nature of .22 rimfire ammo. The proof is in the targets.
  
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Reply #19 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 2:04pm
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You can buy Eley TENEX based on specific velocities.

Once you match the right velocity to your barrel (the sweet spot of minimal vibration) you stick to that velocity and it works great.
My rifle prefers 1072 to 1075 fps (subsonic).

TENEX has the the best quality standards and least weight variation of any ammo I have tried.

But you still need to weight sort it to get subperb accuracy with it. Unsorted velocity variation is +/- 25 fps versus +/- 10 to 15 fps for weight sorted TENEX.

Always check the velocity of the lot before you purchase it.

Eley helps top competitive shooters test various velocities of TENEX before they select the correct lot to purchase.

Buy the wrong velocity for your barrel and it will not work well.

Others use a barrel tuner to adjust the barrel vibration to whatever ammo they are using.
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Reply #20 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 4:04pm
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Link to Eley test ranges:

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The World Class top shooting competitors test 20 different Eley lots of various velocities to find what provides the least variations in the harmonics of a shooters rifle.

Not only do they have indoor ranges to do precision testing for accuracy; they also have the equipment to properly evaluate the groups shot under the testing.

This procedure and process is designed to obtain even greater accuracy than what you have been pursuing Ken.
The results of this testing has been proven by the success of these competitors at the Olympics on numerous occasions.

Article on the new Eley test range at Winters, Texas:

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Let me know when you break their record of a 40 shot group of 12.4 mm (0.488") and 13.2 mm (.520") seen in this link:

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Reply #21 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 4:32pm
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If you don't believe that there are variances in lots of the same ammo, there are four videos posted on Youtube. These videos were made at the Lapua test facility in Arizona. A customer brought in an Anscutz rifle, wanting to test various of lots of Center X. He was looking for the most accurate lot. The rifle/action is put in a machine rest and tested at 50 and 100 yards under controlled conditions. They will test as many types and lots as the customer wants and he can then purchase the most accurate lot(s). I have two friends that took their rifles there for testing and bought ammo.
Watch, listen, and learn.

Go to Youtube, type in "Pairing Lapua 22 caliber ammunition with my Anscutz target rifle"
  
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Reply #22 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 4:45pm
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How long can you store the lots of top grade ammo in ideal conditions before degradation shows up?
  

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Reply #23 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 6:18pm
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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Jan 6th, 2018 at 4:45pm:
How long can you store the lots of top grade ammo in ideal conditions before degradation shows up?

I kept Eley Ten-X for a decade and could not get ti to shoot as well as it did in the first three or four years. Bought new Ten-X, two different lots, and it shot noticeably better than the saved decade old ammunition. 

I had the same experience with the treasured Fiocchi Pistol Match from several decades ago. I bought all of a lot number that I could from Kesselring's and hoarded it for only matches, but the accuracy fell off within five years.

Based on these experiences, admittedly a limited sample size, my choice today is to shoot it up within four to five years. I now mark the purchase date on the box and shoot the oldest first. 

Of course, one never knows how much time the warehouse or the dealer had the boxes sitting on the shelf.
  

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Reply #24 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 6:20pm
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My experiment with target grade Shorts in a nearly new Stevens-Pope, choke bored & chambered for Shorts says shelf life is about 35 years. After 30 or 35 years, you can blame some of the variance on time.  I was measuring the diameter of several hundred 2-shot groups at 25 yards, from a machine rest.

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The above are links to an absolutely amazing series of .22 LR rimfire trials done in an underground tunnel in Dubai.  I do not know who Saeed is, except that he must be wealthy, he is a true gentleman, with good manners and incredible patience.  His tunnel is only 100 yards long.  I wish it were 200 yards, but the tunnel height, floor to ceiling, may be a limiting factor.
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Reply #25 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 8:06pm
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but a word of caution and I hope reason:    when shooting long range 22 rimfire 100 and 200 yards.  the ammunition is just one of the factors  perhaps the barrel itself (once up to working temperature) and the action are probably the most significantly consistent. 
  ammunition even from high grade and demonstrably high quality lots will have some slight variables that might vary a few FPS over a 200 yard trajectory which can have serious impact on shot distribution on the target. 
  "Conditions" those variables in atmospheric motion and air density and light effects are probably the least predictable and may have the biggest impact.  
Machine resting with a mechanical trigger pulling device may rule out most of the human factor, except in deciding the timing of the shot----reference evaluating "conditions"

edit: an I might add theater is a whole world of differences between the 100 yard target and the 200 yard target.    100 yard groups and scores are only an general indicator of what or may-not happen at 200 yards
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Reply #26 - Jan 6th, 2018 at 9:12pm
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QM - Well said. Conditions are always changing.
  

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Reply #27 - Jan 7th, 2018 at 2:33am
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BudHyett wrote on Jan 6th, 2018 at 6:18pm:
Schuetzenmiester wrote on Jan 6th, 2018 at 4:45pm:
How long can you store the lots of top grade ammo in ideal conditions before degradation shows up?

I kept Eley Ten-X for a decade and could not get ti to shoot as well as it did in the first three or four years. Bought new Ten-X, two different lots, and it shot noticeably better than the saved decade old ammunition. 

I had the same experience with the treasured Fiocchi Pistol Match from several decades ago. I bought all of a lot number that I could from Kesselring's and hoarded it for only matches, but the accuracy fell off within five years.

Based on these experiences, admittedly a limited sample size, my choice today is to shoot it up within four to five years. I now mark the purchase date on the box and shoot the oldest first. 

Of course, one never knows how much time the warehouse or the dealer had the boxes sitting on the shelf.


Thanks Bud.  That is why I prefer offhand.  It doesn't really matter  Cheesy  Assuming a 50/50 wobble distribution  Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #28 - Jan 8th, 2018 at 10:02pm
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Waterman, how are you getting away with shooting 'lead in Kalifornia.  Figured you get put in jail for such ecological blasphemy. 
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Reply #29 - Jan 10th, 2018 at 12:21pm
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OK, I'm being picky.  But the term EPS stand for Enhanced Priming System IIRC.  At the same time the current flat nose with the dimple nose configuration came out and that has caused the confusion of calling the nose configuration as the EPS nose.

My guns really like Eley Match after testing and selection best lots and then weight sorting and tested lots of RWS R-50.  Some like the Federal Ultra Match but it can cause flyers.

  
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