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A little story regarding my 218 Bee photo added.
Dec 18th, 2017 at 7:20pm
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Because I could not find any factory 218 Bee cases I have been using in my little baby roller converted 32-20 or 25-20 cases for the last fifteen years.
About six or seven years ago I found a scruffy packet of new Remington ammo of 218 B at a gun show and last Sunday got it out to shoot it at the range.
It shot into two distinct not very good groups two inches apart one above the other at random and about half the fired cases looked like a head separation if loaded up again.
Using a fine upholstery skewer with the tip bent over to feel inside the case the other half are ok.
Although they looked like new cases I did wonder if they were reloads so kept one case back and pulled the bullet at home.
They were new unfired cases and using a Sinclair 7-28 comparator the new case at one place on the shoulder came out at 1.015 whilst the fired cases came out on average 1.048.
Just thought I would share this.
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Reply #1 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 10:44am
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One of the secret joys of messing with obsolescent calibers is that the manufacturer begins to let the specs loosen up on those ever more rare occasions when he grudgingly sets up the tooling for a run.

I’ve had .25-20 WCF and .22 Hornet where certain batches performed the way your .218 did, this back before they got their resurgence in the marketplace.  Don’t know what was the matter with the .25-20, but I measured the Hornets one time and found the base diameter was considerably under SAAMI specs.  But it all worked once, and that was all the manufacturer cared about.

I used to find .32-20 empty shells with a bunch of different lengths in the same box, and all shorter than standard.  Made for a puzzling crimping situation until I hauled out the calipers.  .25-20 Single Shot used to feature off-center flash holes and oval rims.  That’s one reason I never fully bought into the general denunciation of Bertram Brass; at least they were trying, and, except for metallurgy problems, the last issues of the stuff they were trying to copy were not exactly paragons of quality, either.

The ammo companies really wanted to hurry the obsolescence process along so they could firm up the excuse to drop the offerings.  I sometimes wonder how much hair was pulled in the Production and Marketing Depts of the big ammo manufacturers when the Cowboy Action, Shuetzen, Buffalo Rifle and other nostalgia elements of the fickle Shooting Public demanded a return of some of these calibers.
  
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Reply #2 - Dec 19th, 2017 at 1:28pm
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I've also found that old factory cartridges seem to get brittle with age. Not sure if there's a reaction inside from the brass and powder, or if brass somehow hardens with age? But I've had old cases I reloaded for years with no problem, but loaded ammo that sat for years and split or separated when fired.
  

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Reply #3 - Dec 20th, 2017 at 3:10pm
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marlinguy wrote on Dec 19th, 2017 at 1:28pm:
I've also found that old factory cartridges seem to get brittle with age. Not sure if there's a reaction inside from the brass and powder, or if brass somehow hardens with age? But I've had old cases I reloaded for years with no problem, but loaded ammo that sat for years and split or separated when fired.



I've had the same thing happen Vall, old 06 ammo and 30-30.
  

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Reply #4 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 11:15pm
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I've found that brass cartridge casings, for lack of a better term, have a "shelf life" of sorts.
  
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Reply #5 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 11:52pm
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How long does it take for it to be an issue?  Any brands worse than others?
  

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Reply #6 - Dec 23rd, 2017 at 12:07pm
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Cases left in an unheated garage get extremely brittle from the annual temperature changes here in Alberta (-40 to 100 F.) Cases can become too brittle after a few years.

Length of time for them to get too brittle is dependent on where and how they were stored.

Cases stored at room temperature can survive many decades and of course annealed cases many survive a bit longer.
  
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Reply #7 - Dec 23rd, 2017 at 12:52pm
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For what it's worth, my collection of old cartridges seem to only have a few cracked necks. Every crack in them developed in a cartridge with a jacketed bullet. The lead loads seem to have survived for some reason- neck tension against the tougher jacket? Many of these have been loaded for over a hundred years- some well beyond that. I have never seen a crack in an early copper case (lead bullet), have you? So, I dunno................
I have seen whole boxes of new factory stuff with tiny splits that are likey to be annealing differences, but the factory must have determined that they would be safe for a single use. Whole box of .375 H&H came that way, and I sure hated junking those, since they don't exactly grow on trees here.
  
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