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Statesrights Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 441 Location: Virginia Joined: May 3^rd, 2016	Cast loads for a .30-06??? Oct 24^th, 2017 at 2:48pm	Print Post
	A friend is trying to work up some cast loads for a fine Hammerli Springfield. Help would be welcome.


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3974 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Cast loads for a .30-06??? Reply #1 - Oct 24^th, 2017 at 3:09pm	Print Post
	Ken Water's Pet Loads, old Lyman books, NRA publications and the older loading manuals in general were well laden with cast in the '06. Shouldn't be a problem searching the innernet either. Gotta be plenty out there to keep your friend busy.


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craigster Oldtimer Offline Posts: 823 Location: lost coast CA Joined: Feb 20^th, 2011	Re: Cast loads for a .30-06??? Reply #2 - Oct 24^th, 2017 at 3:55pm	Print Post
	Lots of loads in Lyman's Cast Bullet Handbook. If he doesn't have a copy, he should.


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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Cast loads for a .30-06??? Reply #3 - Oct 24^th, 2017 at 4:02pm	Print Post
	Statesright - from the loading data table, pick your bullet and you have multiple powder brands - charges and related fps ... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links); And if your not satisfied with the above, here's another loading data website ... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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Statesrights Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 441 Location: Virginia Joined: May 3^rd, 2016	Re: Cast loads for a .30-06??? Reply #4 - Oct 24^th, 2017 at 4:35pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the speedy replies. I should have been more clear with my query. I’ve been tempting my friend to try schuetzen and he’s wavering. The Lyman book lists gas check only and the site from John Boy (for which I thank you) lists flat based as “plinkers.” Certainly worth a try, but I was hoping someone might have tried the ‘06 in the game. I can’t imagine staying with that cartridge, but this rifle would get some attention if it showed up at a match as it is such a classic. Even has a Swiss buttplate and I’ve seen the groups with jacketed and gas check loads. It likely won’t win, but it would be nice to have on the line.


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3974 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Cast loads for a .30-06??? Reply #5 - Oct 24^th, 2017 at 6:37pm	Print Post
	Pick a bullet weight, pick a speed, pick a powder. Don't use a gas check won't change much. The info is still good. 180-200 gr. about 1500 fps. sounds like a good start to me. Good luck, send photos.


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Jeff Houck Junior Member Offline Posts: 78 Location: Pocatello Joined: Jan 11^th, 2014	Re: Cast loads for a .30-06??? Reply #6 - Oct 24^th, 2017 at 9:14pm	Print Post
	try the RCBS 180 FN without the check, 10 grs Bullseye for 1250ish fps. Shoots 1 MOA in my Springfield at 100 yards, but is pooped out and worthless at 200 yds. Also try 13 grs. of Unique with the same bullet. Shoots 1.5 MOA at 100 yds and 200 yds. right on out to 500 meters. About 1500ish.

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GWarden Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 317 Location: Marshalltown Iowa Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Cast loads for a .30-06??? Reply #7 - Oct 25^th, 2017 at 9:17am	Print Post
	A great load if you can find some imr4759 is 21.0 gr 4759, the Lyman 311284. This was Frank Marshall's favorite load. I found this to be the best load in my Rem. long range 30.06.

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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7729 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Cast loads for a .30-06??? Reply #8 - Oct 25^th, 2017 at 1:45pm	Print Post
	That Frank Marshall cast load won many CBA matches. Boats


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Hey Joe Participating Member Offline Posts: 21 Location: Roanoke Joined: Jul 12^th, 2006	Re: Cast loads for a .30-06??? Reply #9 - Oct 25^th, 2017 at 4:55pm	Print Post
	Many thanks for the replies. I've never tried gas check bullets without the checks; thought it might lead. Will try it now. With a gas check in this rifle at 200 yd, Lyman 311365, 206, gr gave moa with 24 gr 4227, but a bit fast for plain base. Question is how much lower than the loads in in the books can one go to reduce velocity. An article by Ed Harris recommends a 16 gr of 2400 load; 2 gr below the book minimum. Would similar be safe with other powders like 4227. Got winter to work on it, new input welcome. Joe


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4473 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Cast loads for a .30-06??? Reply #10 - Oct 26^th, 2017 at 1:56pm	Print Post
	Another vote for the Lyman 311284. Grouped .8 inches at 100 in my 30-40 with 21 grains of H4198.


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7659 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Cast loads for a .30-06??? Reply #11 - Oct 26^th, 2017 at 2:22pm	Print Post
	Don't forget about the famous Pope bullet load (311403) with 14 - 15 gr of 4759 or you can use the same loads of 4227. Note the reverse tapered base band, you just put it in the case mouth and shoot. NOE, makes a copy of that mold: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Frank

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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3002 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Cast loads for a .30-06??? Reply #12 - Oct 26^th, 2017 at 3:24pm	Print Post
	frnkeore wrote on Oct 26^th, 2017 at 2:22pm: Don't forget about the famous Pope bullet load (311403) with 14 - 15 gr of 4759 or you can use the same loads of 4227. Note the reverse tapered base band, you just put it in the case mouth and shoot. NOE, makes a copy of that mold: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Frank Amen!! to that, Frank. With a plugged case or push-seater, you can breech-seat those bullets in a Martini like the Hammerli. It does well in my 8.15x46R with a tight barrel, 11.6 gr 4227 (much reduced case capacity). If the chap is going to shoot that Hammerli Springfield offhand, a lot of time with the weights will not hurt. Those things are heavy.


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Statesrights Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 441 Location: Virginia Joined: May 3^rd, 2016	Re: Cast loads for a .30-06??? Reply #13 - Oct 26^th, 2017 at 7:18pm	Print Post
	The response from this knowledgeable group has been great. Generous and welcome. Range time ahead. Thank you.


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