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Reply #15 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 1:46am
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I soldered in a few when I first started doing liners. I found out how easy it is to use Loctite and never went back to solder. I have never had a liner stick part way in with Loctite but I did find out how hard it is to remove a liner when I installed the wrong one. Had smoke coming off the barrel before it would move.
  

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Reply #16 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 11:41pm
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Yes, schutzenmeister, if done properly the solder is drawn in for the whole length.
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Reply #17 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 8:38am
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i always marveled at the fact that Springfield arsenal, Sharps etc. lined thousands of barrels by soldering them in. they must have had a very efficient method of doing so. wonder what flux they used then, none of the "lab" quality stuff we expect today, same with the solder, probably mixed on site.
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Reply #18 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 12:28pm
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Take it for what it's worth KW, I had an old fella years ago tell me the flux he used and hands down worked better than any new modern concoction - was horse piss.  He did a lot of tin work, and barrel liners - he didn't BS much so I'm thinking I believe him... had a nick name like Tinny...
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Reply #19 - Oct 15th, 2017 at 9:11am
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What alloy of solder do y'all use?
  

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Reply #20 - Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:28pm
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Just a follow up.   While soldering the liner I tried pulling it out.  You can push it in at a temp that causes the Liner to squeek but can not pull it out.  Once it got to the "Flowing Temp" it pulled right up and was bright shinny full coverage of solder.  As I was pushing the liner in I would keep a Bead of solder at the joint and when it would disappear I would feed more.  Used 50/50 Acid core to tin with and 60/40 Rosin core to do the joining.  Both melt according to my welding Book at 361 deg. F but the 50/50 flows at 420 deg. F and the 60/40 flows at 370 deg. F.  Used what I had on hand but plan on the next one to use 60/40 only.  Am thinking that Horse Urine has Ammonia which may work as a mild flux but I am no Chemist.  David
  
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Reply #21 - Oct 15th, 2017 at 6:48pm
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How do you keep the barrel and liner at a even temp to do the job?
  

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Reply #22 - Oct 15th, 2017 at 7:01pm
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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 6:48pm:
How do you keep the barrel and liner at a even temp to do the job?

  That's the trick! Wink
  

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Reply #23 - Oct 15th, 2017 at 8:04pm
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I have done enough soldering to know it is a very good trick!
  

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Reply #24 - Oct 15th, 2017 at 8:36pm
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For the rank Amateur, two Bernz-O-Matic torches, one regular, one MAPP with the F-16 afterburner tip.  Heavy leather gloves, with heavy cotton gloves inside them.  Tin the liner outside, the barrel inside, mount barrel vertically. I make a little socket, and hold it vertically in a Palmgren vise standing on the floor. heat the end of the barrel on the outside, position the liner.  Start it in when the solder starts looking "wet."  Brush on flux as you see the need (if everything's properly tinned, it shouldn't need much, if any.)

I just keep playing the torches up and down the outside of the barrel, larger sweeps with the MAPP, more localized with the propane, pushing the liner with my gloved hand as it starts feeling loose and decides to move (an inch at a time, sometimes!) and keeping the solder joint at the top from running out of metal.  A helper on the torches is nice, but I can set the things down and pick them back up as needed.  The barrel assembly stays hot.  Don't ever heat the liner, just the outside of the barrel.  If it's reasonably smooth on the outside, and you don't dribble any flux down it, it can come out a magnificent fire blue when you are done.

There was a TV show on once on how Vikings made swords.  They had to keep the metal hot for four or five days, alternating heating with pounding, twisting and shaping.  Took three or four workers, and nobody got any sleep.

Lining isn't as tough a job as that, at least.   Smiley  Usually done in a couple hours or so, once everything gets good and hot.  Eventually the end of the liner comes out the bottom in a mess of flux and spatter.  Let everything cool, throw the spatter in the casting pot and it's Miller time.
  
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Reply #25 - Oct 15th, 2017 at 9:20pm
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Thanks for the description.  I'll bet the first time was a bit scary  Grin
  

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Reply #26 - Nov 5th, 2017 at 5:43pm
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My three upper caps at the front are still glued on tight after over thirty years.
  
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