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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Winning Benchrest Scores By The Top Shooters Reply #15 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 2:40pm	Print Post
	P1 if you asked me a question and did not get a full honest answer to the best of my ability I did not either get it or see it posted. Send me a PM and I would be more than happy to address any and all questions that you might have and I apoligize for some how having missed it. JLouis

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3712 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Winning Benchrest Scores By The Top Shooters Reply #16 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 2:44pm	Print Post
	Well, that's enough grave "unjustice" for one day. No matter how one chooses to look at it, it's just an opinion. Numbers are pretty non-judgmental, though. And, all you shooters at Modesto are pretty darn good.


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7421 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Winning Benchrest Scores By The Top Shooters Reply #17 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 2:55pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 2:33pm: Frank this topic has absolutely nothing to do with you and it's very unfortunate that you feel that way every time I make a postive post. It also has nothing to do with just Modesto but competitors nation wide. Most of what I have stated is more directly related to the scores being posted back East. Your method of trying to average the scores of the top three over a 12 month time frame is also extremely miss-leading. Jerry Hartwig won the last match with a 249-9 & 248-8. If you take the top three at the last match and average their scores out Jerry's average would only be a 243.6 and a grave injustice to him and very undeserving. It was actually a 248.5, second a 247 and third a 245.5 and it is also an unjustice to them. It is also very clear for everyone here to understand exactly what it is you tried to accomplish sadly. It is also very disappointing for you a fellow competitor to feel the need to try and use that method to diminish anyones true abilities as it also pertains to everyone Nation wide and a grave injustice to all of them and not just the Modesto groups abilities that you so detest. JLouis You brought me into it, in your very first statement! Next I ONLY averaged the top three not the whole group. I did address Jerry abilitys, directly: Quote: Of the top three shoters, there is one stand out that averages about 1.5 to 2 points more that the other top two shooters and that helps to pull the averages up. Would you like me to average just the second and third place shooters so, it would be more fair to Jerry? Quote: second a 247 and third a 245.5 With your above quote, you've kind of proven my point. You were indeed telling everyone that you had to shoot above 247 to be in the top three at your matches. It helps if you get your facts straight before you release information. Frank

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Winning Benchrest Scores By The Top Shooters Reply #18 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 3:03pm	Print Post
	CF your groups are indeed just as important so please share them and what it took to achieve them so we can get back on the original topic and learn from you as well at the same time. I also have your original introduction to this site saved would you like me to share it with those who have joined since. If so I would gladly post it on your behalf so they too can fully understand where your continued comments on my behalf are really coming from as it would be very easy for them all to understand you as being the person you really are. JLouis

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Winning Benchrest Scores By The Top Shooters Reply #19 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 3:27pm	Print Post
	The good folks here are intelligent enough to get your original drift Frank so no need to try to sugar coat it and try it all over again. Here are the real facts and it has nothing to with averaging group scores to prove a false point. But it does clearly define what I was pointing out. NY May 12&13 CF Match Scores chew on them for awile and maybe you might finally get it too? W.Scavuzzo 249-9c D.Reynolds 248-8c D.Stadler 248-8c J.Schultz 248-8c R.Buzzeo 248-8c A.Zahornacky 248-8c S.Gibbs 247-7c J.McDermott 246-6c G.Wickham 246-6c
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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3712 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Winning Benchrest Scores By The Top Shooters Reply #20 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 3:57pm	Print Post
	Yeah, go ahead and post it. I forgot what I may have said when I first got here and didn't know who was full of it, and who was fun. By the way, I never said I could shoot anything but fun targets- some are good, some are embarrassing. My point above was that you can enjoy good shooting when it comes, it doesn't need to be in front of your awestruck fans.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Winning Benchrest Scores By The Top Shooters Reply #21 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 4:40pm	Print Post
	Totally agree CF and I have no awestruck fans just freindly serious competitors as myself who appreciate a different challenge in life than maybe you own. Is ours more important than yours, absoultly not and I wish you would quit thinking it as being such based on what we have to share with each other. I try not to jump into any of your conversations in regards to what you enjoy but I also wish were not so intent on continually jumping in and disrupting ours. It is obvious you have no intrest in what we have to share and yet its also hard to understand why you choose to continue to do so? I have noticed once Frank or Joe jumps in with their nonsense you seem to follow suit and when they don't you are really quite pleasant to be around. JLouis

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3712 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Winning Benchrest Scores By The Top Shooters Reply #22 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 4:58pm	Print Post
	Well, if I see eye to eye with somebody, it's understandable that I'd support their idea. As for disrupting you- no matter who you are referring to, if I see it as demeaning to the fellow on a more personal level- I'll jump on you with both feet and no apology (or much backpedaling). You seem to start off with nay saying anybody you wish, and then turn to saying (like butter won't melt in your mouth) that it must be a mistake because you were only trying to help some poor soul. Or, delete the post and pretend it never happened. So, go ahead and post that threat you tossed my way, and let's see how far I've come- and how ready you already were to lay in wait from the first.


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3712 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Winning Benchrest Scores By The Top Shooters Reply #23 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 6:02pm	Print Post
	Well, that word works, don't it? Funny, though, I was thinking of something besides that. Probl'y shouldn't get posted. After all, I need to keep up my good reputation.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Winning Benchrest Scores By The Top Shooters Reply #24 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 6:25pm	Print Post
	CF I decided I won't stoop to the same low level as you by posting what you had to say. I think more highly of myself than you do for your own. Thats your free choice so continue to have it friends we are not and you will recieve the same as you choose to give from here on out. JLouis

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7421 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Winning Benchrest Scores By The Top Shooters Reply #25 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 6:27pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 3:27pm: The good folks here are intelligent enough to get your original drift Frank so no need to try to sugar coat it and try it all over again. Here are the real facts and it has nothing to with averaging group scores to prove a false point. But it does clearly define what I was pointing out. NY May 12&13 CF Match Scores chew on them for awile and maybe you might finally get it too? W.Scavuzzo 249-9c D.Reynolds 248-8c D.Stadler 248-8c J.Schultz 248-8c R.Buzzeo 248-8c A.Zahornacky 248-8c S.Gibbs 247-7c J.McDermott 246-6c G.Wickham 246-6c Latest results: Western NY Schuetzen Society June 16-17 2017 Bath, NY 200yd Centerfire Score Dale Stadler 247-7c Jeff Schultz 247-7c Andy Zahornacky 246-6c Jim McDermott 242-3c Not everyone shoots 248 - 250 all the time JL. But, we all do shoot as well as is possible, each time we are at matches or at the range. Frank

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Jeff_Schultz ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1631 Location: Ransomville, NY Joined: Apr 25^th, 2004	Re: Winning Benchrest Scores By The Top Shooters Reply #26 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 6:51pm	Print Post
	I don't care the slightest particle, but; John is using 100yd scores from a good day and Frank is using 200yd scores from a bad day on a tricky range. I don't see the point of the comparison or the argument. High score wins the match. Very simple.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Winning Benchrest Scores By The Top Shooters Reply #27 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:16pm	Print Post
	Couldn't agree more Frank it's all dependant on the conditions for the day and one's own personal skill level. We had a match where a pair of 244's took first place but it's extremely untypical and I was trying to point out the more typical scores being shot on the more typical match days. Anyone can pick and choose to prove a point but that was not my intent. I think a good example might be Jack Odor at the ISSA National event at Raton when he shot a 249-9 and then four 250-10's in a row dropping only one point on five targets in 2011. Clark Ehlers in second place was only 10 points down and Gary Nelson 11 in third place with a 247-7, 249-9, 248-8, 248-8 and 246-6. Raton is also not typically a real user friendly range and it shows what it takes to compete on a National level and my real point being competitive Nation wide. JLouis

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3109 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Winning Benchrest Scores By The Top Shooters Reply #28 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:59pm	Print Post
	Spokane was a good test this year. There were no real advantages to any relay. Here are the averages for scope bench for the top 15 shooters. Not all shooters shot all matches. Gary Miller runs the final weekend and does not shoot. That helped me immensely in the 20 shot scope bench on the final Saturday. . Not even going to try to line these up. Shooter # of targets Average Gary Miller 12 246 Sylvia Bodnar 14 244.5 Tommy Mason 14 244.14 Will Harrison 14 243.93 Colleen Pipke 14 243.64 Sue Miller 12 243.42 Steve Barber 12 243.33 Jack Hewitt 14 242.86 Dick Spencer 10 242.8 Joe Gussenhoven 14 242.79 Russ Weber 14 242.57 Frank Elliot 14 242 Rob Pipke 14 242 Wayne Tellier 14 241.5 Jack
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	ASSRA # 11318 I haven’t lost all my marbles yet but there is definitely a hole in the bag somewhere.
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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3109 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Winning Benchrest Scores By The Top Shooters Reply #29 - Jul 10^th, 2017 at 8:29pm	Print Post
	Says the guy who got Bench 1 quite a bit. 15 and 16 are not quite as bad. I had mostly middle benches and a couple or relays on 15. I did horrible on day 1 of the RKS scope on relay 1. 19th place. I spent the rest of the day watching the wind do its thing. Day 2 I got 3rd in the scope relay. Definitely a wind readers range. Jack

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