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Reply #15 - Jun 22nd, 2017 at 11:38pm
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Dave J, the pretty colors are only oxides on the surface. Reflux those and they are good to go next round. The fact that they are soft is pretty good evidence that the zinc bugaboo isn't present in your batch.
Joe S, how much weight difference is there in your suspect castings? Is there some way to do a comparison hardness test with known good alloy? 
It sounds like you have a mold problem or need more tin or fluxing to me- but it's hard to analyze stuff on the inter-tube.
I'm pretty old-fashioned concerning casting, but had a very savvy teacher back a long while. I wish you all could pick his brain the way I did. I still miss his advice (and company) Cry
oneatime, those are nice looking for such a quick job. I can't go as fast as you can- but I'd like to!
  
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Reply #16 - Jun 22nd, 2017 at 11:47pm
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dave_j wrote on Jun 22nd, 2017 at 9:33pm:
how do you determine if you have zinc in your mix?  i have some soft ingots which look almost color cased.
the mix i use most is plumbers lead and tin ???


Put some chlorine bleach in some water.  Put the alloy in and watch for small bubbles.  The stronger the mix, the faster the bubbles. 

Some may be just occasional, be patient and watch for two or three minutes.
  

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Reply #17 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 6:43am
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That blue color is good. When I'm casting minies with pure lead I know I'm hot enough when the melt turns blue between pours. I don't think your melt will turn blue with zinc in it.
  
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Reply #18 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 6:59am
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I hope you are correct about the blue not being a zinc problem, but every time I have had a problem I have had the blue color. an association, not necessarily a cause and effect. Will try the bleach and see what happens. At any rate, blue or no blue, I still need bullets to shoot. 
Thanks for your help, will keep working on it. New mold, pot and certified alloy is in the mail.
Joe S
  
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Reply #19 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 9:21am
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Blue on the melt is plenty hot.  I cast a couple hundred hollow .54 round balls one time.  The top was blue and probably close to 90 degrees.

They just didn't feel right, so I weighed a few and cut some open.  I couldn't believe they were hollow.
  

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Reply #20 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 11:22am
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IME, the blue color is the indication of high heat in an alloy that is mostly lead.  I get the blue "skin" on top,of the alloy when casting round balls for muzzleloaders and the like.  The silvery balls will turn blue as they sit on the towel, cooling off, if I'm running the pot hot enough.

The only time I had zinc contamination, the contents of the pot was an uncastable slush, like silver oatmeal, that refused to liquefy at any normal casting temperature.

Lead reacts slowly with muriatic (hydrochloric) acid at room temperature, giving off an occasional bubble and forming a white sediment that will dissolve if you heat the solution up.  Zinc reacts rapidly with the acid, giving an "Alka-Seltzer" fizzing reaction, and the product dissolves in the acid solution as fast as it is formed.

You would need to try pure lead and pure zinc with the reagent and judge for yourself the level of zinc contamination by the extent of reaction of a mixture of the two.

Check the venting on the blocks adjacent to your "trouble spot" on the bullets.  If it looks good and the problem is at the base, sometimes a slight loosening of the sprue plate will help.

If everything looks OK mechanically, smoke the mould with a match or a candle, or spray cavities, faces and tops with Mould Prep or some other similar stuff.  I know it's wrong; it's shameful; it doesn't address the true problem with the mould, and it reduces bullet diameter by a squillionth of an inch, but I do it on all my aluminum moulds and get an avalanche of good bullets when I do.
  
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Reply #21 - Jun 24th, 2017 at 3:09pm
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let me toss out another aspect.  Pictured here are two pairs of bullets.
same alloy.
same temperatures - pot and mould.
same techniques.  (happened to be bottom pour)

each pair was cast, first the good one and then the slightly frosted one not correctly filled out.

  

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Reply #22 - Jun 24th, 2017 at 3:13pm
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Alloy was 20:1, pot temp about 720-730dF.

Technique was to fill, continue to fill leaving a quarter-sized puddle above each cavity, cut the sprues just after the puddle froze, and to drop bullets onto towel.

300 gr bullets, so the flow was adjusted to be large.

  

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Reply #23 - Jun 24th, 2017 at 3:14pm
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OK.  The variable was the RATE OF FLOW.  The nozzle would close up; I would clear it from underneath with a wire, and would cast until ....

  

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Reply #24 - Jun 24th, 2017 at 3:17pm
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The solution.  Empty the pot and clean the nozzle from the inside.

Note the difference in flow from the stream accumulating crud - as it flowed - going from robust to wimpy.   

Cleaned it out, fired it back up and cast 250+ GOOD bullets.
  

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Reply #25 - Jun 24th, 2017 at 3:51pm
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I am using an aluminum double cavity 38-55 mold and getting frosted and rounded unfilled edges on the bullet bands.

Heat the pot melt and mold up to a temperature so the sprue puddle frosts in 5 - 8 seconds ... doing a 5 second pour.
With a clean mold and properly fluxed melt ... that's all there is to casting filled out - non frosted - good bullets
  
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Reply #26 - Jun 24th, 2017 at 4:29pm
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thanks for the info on the bleach   will try it   the melt makes good bullets so i have not worried about that    thanks again   dave j Smiley
  

ah heck  AA#9,4227,300MP, as long as it goes bang
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Reply #27 - Jun 26th, 2017 at 3:09pm
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I have tried potassium based cleaners on aluminum with good results, not bullet molds.

Must monitorpotasium lever carefully not knowing exact potassium content.  High percentages of Potassium hydroxide loves to eat aluminum.
  
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