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Quarter Bore powder selection
May 31st, 2017 at 10:35am
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Has anyone tested using VV N-110 in .25WCF? (or even S.S.)
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Reply #1 - May 31st, 2017 at 1:46pm
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How about Little Gun?
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Reply #2 - May 31st, 2017 at 2:29pm
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I have found Vhtavouri N110 to be cleaner burning and a little more accurate than my long time go to powder H4227 shooting cast in the .22 Hornet.  Never tried it in my Stevens .25 S.S.  However, I have been using 7.0grs. H4227
with a 75gr. .25  Barnett breech-seated...and since 7.0grs. is an accurate and mild load in the .22 Hornet, I don't see why you couldn't use VV N110.  Just start low and work up carefully.  Bst of luck with your 1/4 bores!
  
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Reply #3 - May 31st, 2017 at 5:15pm
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I have 2lb of it and tried it in my 33 ELCO Max. It didn't do any better than 4227. The only powder that works in my cartridge is #9, although, I'm sure that H108 would also do well in it.

#9 is iffy. I've had both good and bad lots of it. The last can I bought and tried at the Spokane shoot, wasn't worth throughing away. I shot the scope Canadian Regional with it and couldn't get one center shot, out of 20 shots.

I switched to some very old, #9C and got third in the NW regional, with 13 centers.

My suggestion is to try to find some H108 from one of the East Coast shooter and try it.

LilGun might be worth a try maybe even 300MP and I'm assuming that you tried Enforcer/4100.

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Reply #4 - May 31st, 2017 at 6:05pm
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4100 & Enforcer are my "go to" powders. Never had decent results with AA #9. Lil Gun showed pressure signs before getting desired velocity. Win 296 is 2nd best. H-110 is OK. I never had any H-108, but sure would like to try it. I suspect it might be the best. 
N-110 will be my next test. I'm now trying it in my .32-20CPA and it shows real promise at 100. Tomorrow I go to 200.
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Reply #5 - Jun 1st, 2017 at 4:59pm
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The CBA website shows two people shooting .32-20 with VV N-110. This is in Match Results, 2017, and the Atglen, PA club

This might be a good place to research other match reports, since I remembered the N-110 were there.

  

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Reply #6 - Jun 1st, 2017 at 6:04pm
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Bud - That's what prompted me to test. Today's results were inconclusive due to winds and interruptions. Thanks.
  

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Reply #7 - Jun 1st, 2017 at 9:42pm
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beltfed wrote on May 31st, 2017 at 1:46pm:
Ditto: 
How about Little Gun?
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My testing with Lil'Gun in the Hornet showed me that the powder wants to be loaded to a pressure that's too high for plain base bullets before it starts to burn consistently.   

But above about 20,000 psi it's magic in the Hornet, using jacketed 45 grain bullets.
  

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Reply #8 - Jun 2nd, 2017 at 7:57am
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My limited testing of Lil' Gun in .32-20CPA & .25-20WCF showed similar results. Pressure signs scared me off.
  

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Re: Quarter Bore powder selection
Reply #9 - Jun 2nd, 2017 at 9:26am
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I have tried it in both .25-20ss and my 32-30 Imp. The biggest problem is getting a consistent drop from a powder measure. It works but in the end you'd be better off using H110.

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Reply #10 - Jun 2nd, 2017 at 1:07pm
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40 Rod - You say "H110". Interesting. How do you compare that to the VV N110 (in terms of loading/metering & performance). I am finding the VV N110 does not meter well in my Harrells Schuetzen measure but works OK in my old RCBS.
Also, I was not impressed with initial tests with the H110, but the N110 looks promising - especially at 100 yards. I may not yet be getting adequate velocity for 200 yards.
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Reply #11 - Jun 2nd, 2017 at 5:52pm
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I have heard orthers having had better success with VV 120 over the VV 110. H-110 was a little to concerning for me and I have heard of some real erratic pressure issues with it and I have experianced a few myself. Enough concern to stop my testing before really being able to get it started and all though there are those who claim it to be the same as WW296. I found it to be no where even close to it all though it might be now since Hodgdon took it over. But it did make for yet another very costly but attractive green spot on my front Lawn.

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Reply #12 - Jun 2nd, 2017 at 5:57pm
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I find it interesting in that no one has mentioned AA-7 and one of Charlie Dell's favorites for his 32 Dell small capacity case. I burned up 8lbs. of it in my 32-40 but it was not quite suitable for that case but it was real close to being so.

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Re: Quarter Bore powder selection
Reply #13 - Jun 2nd, 2017 at 6:31pm
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There is nothing wrong with 296/H110. It was the go to powder, along with 4227,in the 80's and 90's. I used both in thoughs days and thousands of pounds of it has been burned in Schuetzen. Both remained on top, until #9 and H108 came came along.

Before Hodgdon took over the rights to Olin, they bought H110 (296) in bulk, while Olin made the Win 296 as a canister powder. Olin tested and blended the 296, to meet a canister spec.

Hodgdon didn't do that so, their powder could vary in it's pressures and proformance. 

296 and H110, are NOW exactly the same powder (just ask Hodgdon) and it still proforms at a high level, at least in the 32/40, just ask Rick McHale!!!

That said, it didn't work as well as #9 does in my small capacity 33 cal.

Another powder that might be worth a try, is N105. I haven't tried it.

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Reply #14 - Jun 2nd, 2017 at 7:08pm
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Enforcer is working the best in my .25-20 SS so far.

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