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Lube formula's with petroleum
May 15th, 2017 at 10:29am
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In muzzleloading I was always told black powder and petroleum products were not a good combination but I see a lot of lube formulas here that use some type of petroleum product in them. ????
  
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Reply #1 - May 15th, 2017 at 11:31am
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I see a lot of lube formulas here that use some type of petroleum product in them. ????
Specifically what petroleum product(s)?
  
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Reply #2 - May 15th, 2017 at 12:20pm
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I see a lot of lube formulas here that use some type of petroleum product in them. ????
Specifically what petroleum product(s)?

Lube Gard, Mavels mysty oil, mineral oil, synthetic motor oil,transmission fluid, I seen one mention Vaseline. Mineral oil and synthetic motor oil are just highly refined crude oil, in fact most of the stuff mentioned is just highly refined motor oil.
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Reply #3 - May 15th, 2017 at 5:11pm
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Lube Gard, for one is a synthetic ester oil. Kind of like
sperm oil. It is not a petroleum product.
But, several of the others mentioned have some following
as components of Smokeless lube, rather than BP lube.
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Reply #4 - May 15th, 2017 at 5:17pm
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Yes, you define all the products as petroleum and are distilled from them. Without searching the MSDS's they are alkanes which have no adverse effect as a lube for black powder. Paraffin is an alkane and is perfectly acceptable for a BP lube mixed with mutton tallow and beeswax
In the case of LubeGuard, it replaced sperm oil that had a long hydro-carbon chain which is desirable in any BP lube

Mineral oil is also an alkane and don't have a clue about synthetic motor oil

Your best bet is post over on Cast Boolits (Lubes) and ask the same as here.  You'll get better answers   
  
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Reply #5 - May 16th, 2017 at 2:55am
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The internet does have an tendency to simplify things making absolutes where they don't exist.  SOME petroleum products are a problem with BP, but certainly not all...
  
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Reply #6 - May 16th, 2017 at 8:35am
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     Synthetic motor oils are based on di-esters, and as such are more similar to whale oil than to alkanes.   I use a bullet lube compounded of beeswax, lanolin, and Mobil One motor oil which is excellent.  On account of their polarity, synthetic motor oils are superior rust inhibitors, also.

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Reply #7 - May 16th, 2017 at 9:14am
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Your best bet is post over on Cast Boolits (Lubes) and ask the same as here.  You'll get better answers   

Seven pages of lube formulas - pick one!
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Reply #8 - May 17th, 2017 at 6:44am
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Your best bet is post over on Cast Boolits (Lubes) and ask the same as here.  You'll get better answers   


I dunno if you get better answers, but you'll sure get a lot of answers.   Grin
  
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Reply #9 - May 17th, 2017 at 8:05am
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I'll just stick with good ol' beeswax and mink oil.
  
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Reply #10 - May 24th, 2017 at 2:28pm
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The alkanes have two main commercial sources: petroleum (crude oil) and natural gas.

Mineral oil is an alkane but mineral oil is a distillate of petroleum....
  
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Reply #11 - May 24th, 2017 at 3:22pm
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westerner wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 2:57pm:
Longcarbine wrote on May 15th, 2017 at 10:29am:
In muzzleloading I was always told black powder and petroleum products were not a good combination but I see a lot of lube formulas here that use some type of petroleum product in them. ????


The person that told you that was a schmuck? 

Uuumm! I dont think so, it's kind of a rule of thumb for muzzleloading. Makes perfect sence to me, look what happens in your engine when oil burns or wheel bearing grease when it gets hot, if you burn petroleum you are going to get carbon.

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Reply #12 - May 24th, 2017 at 4:36pm
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Anyone ever picked up card or paper wads? And noticed there isn't even any scorching showing?  If the contact time is too short to even scorch paper, why would it carbonize any oil?  Whatever kind of oil, petroleum-based or not...
  
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Reply #13 - May 30th, 2017 at 8:18pm
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Uhmmm... BP is a mixture of charcoal, saltpeter, and sulfur. You've already got plenty of carbon in the charcoal. What's wrong with carbon? As a newbie, or non-BP shooter, I accept that I may not be seeing something, but the carbon as a product of combustion being a liability doesn't make sense to me.
  
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Re: Lube formula's with petroleum
Reply #14 - May 31st, 2017 at 8:34am
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Like most pieces of advice this one is overly broad and doesn’t take into account products have been developed since this little kernel of wisdom was coined. The purpose of lube in black powder shooting is two fold first to keep the bore lubricated to prevent leading, and second to keep the fouling soft. 
Some petroleum products will make fouling gooey and plastic making it hard to remove this led to the over broad admonishment to never use petroleum products. Others seem to work just fine. As an example when I shot black powder the most successful lube I used was Smileys formula / Javalina Schuetzenlube with a tablespoon of lanolin per pound added. When using a traditional SEACO/Darr .38 bullet it kept fouling soft to the point that I would run a dry patch down the bore every ten shots or so to clean no solvent at all just a patch and the bore came out shiny. As many of you know Smiley’s formula is 75% Alox and 25% beeswax. The principal ingredient is the Alox that is a petroleum product.

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