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Re: oversize bullets
Reply #15 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 10:49pm
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calledflyer wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
Or, maybe damaged bullets aren't as much of a problem than many worrywarts imagine. Straight down the bore, and the hell with the rest..... 
i'm always amused by the worship of Mann, Pope, etc. and the pursuit of the holy grail getting ignored by a rifle such as mentioned above. Love it. Smiley


My question wasn't really if they were damaged, as I understand (and believe!) that damage to a bullet base does hurt accuracy. But there's a difference between damaged and uniformly deformed. 
What I was wondering is if the rifling left small deformities, tails, or fins that could be seen on the base? If they were there, but equal, and not uneven, would they not affect the flight? Or were they not there, even though the bullet is being swaged down by the smaller bore? If so where did the extra lead go?
I can certainly agree that it seems the guns in mention shoot well, but if so, I'm also curious what they looked like, to better understand why they shot well. Just saying "they shot well" leaves me asking why?
  

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Re: oversize bullets
Reply #16 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:40pm
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I figure, guess really, that they do see some fins and a certain amount of reshaping (I don't like the word, slump). I agree that if they are uniform- my straight down the tube- the worst they will suffer is a change in balistic coefficient. 
All kinds of things are altered in the use of. I don't know it you'd call it damage, but it was a convenient word to use. Further, its just me making an observation, and not intended to get anybody too upset. Getting lucky with accuracy happens more often than any other way. Empirical.           carry on gents.
  
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Reply #17 - Apr 26th, 2017 at 10:02am
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calledflyer wrote on Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:40pm:

All kinds of things are altered in the use of...


Prof. Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle restated more clearly!
  
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Reply #18 - Apr 26th, 2017 at 10:26am
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Just couple thoughts to add to the stew pot.   Considering that the heeled-bullets, and to some extent the stop-ring bullets, have technically sub-groove diameter bases. But if if the nose and the  segment of the bullet ahead of the case mouth fits the bore properly.  and if the bullet enters the rifling pretty straight, and any "blow-by" is adequately sealed off, they seem to shoot pretty straight.

I think the issue with the "fins" might be that if the 'dynamic"-base is irregular in the first microsecond when the bullet exits the muzzle the pent up gases behind it in the bore might kick the bullet a bit sideways and disturb the flight.  Perhaps any displaced lead is not forming "fins" but just getting wiped back into the grease grooves.    Huh Huh Huh

I also shoot a lot of archery and target archers are finding that pretty seriously point heavy arrows shoot just as accurately as the long-accepted "perfectly balanced" arrows do, and in some cases with hunting arrows are actually more accurate
  

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Re: oversize bullets
Reply #19 - Apr 26th, 2017 at 10:49am
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Explosive forming, eh?
Just a minor example and using lead rather that something less ductile. 
An example of the tapered bore would be the German 28 mm AT rifle(?). 
Bore tapered from 28 mm to 20 mm. 
As long as the distortion is symmetric it should not make much difference.
Another example where theory and practice may not be well aligned.
  
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Reply #20 - Apr 29th, 2017 at 1:48pm
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What do you think caused the 44 1/2 to be so inaccurate Joe? Seems many shooters today love tapered or choked bores?
  

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Reply #21 - Apr 29th, 2017 at 1:59pm
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needed hollow base bullets to expand or contract as the go down the barrel Cheesy Cheesy
  

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Reply #22 - Apr 29th, 2017 at 2:31pm
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Isn't six thousandths a lot more than the usual? I thought they normally only have half a thou, or a little more. Just askin', never had one. At least that I knew about Sad
  
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