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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1826 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: load variation Reply #15 - Apr 16^th, 2017 at 11:11pm	Print Post
	Macca, I agree with Called Flyer. Harder antimony containing bullets may work well for you. I have been shooting my 9+1 cliponWW/lino bullets for yrs. Last few years, out of first a Brg 40-65, and now a custom HiWall 40-65. 74.5 gr Swiss 1.5/0.060 LDPE wad under a 9+1 tapered Elliptical GG bullet clocking 1400fps over my Oehler 33. Lately now using same charge under a similar profile PP bullet. Getting Minute of angle accuracy when I do my part. And no leading. Just making sure the GG bullets are 0.001+ over groove dia, and seated out into the freebore/leade. beltfed/arnie


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macca Participating Member Offline Posts: 44 Location: nsw Joined: Jan 7^th, 2012	Re: load variation Reply #16 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 12:51am	Print Post
	Hi Guys, I have a large bucket full of Lino type in the garage. I use it and some tin to harden my lead mix. Im looking for an imprint diameter of 0.07inch using the lee hardness tester. This 10.4 BHN. This gives a bullet weight of 407gn +-. I have tried bullets up to 15 BHN. The 10.4BHN works best in my guns. I get the odd little fleck of lead on my first patch but nothing when I put a lead cleaning patch through. I have machined up a small ingot mould with dead flat and smooth bottom. I cast little ingots to test when formulating a mix. When making a mix up I keep adding linotype and sometimes pure tin until I get the desired imprint diameter on the ingot. cheers macca


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jlmurphy Participating Member Offline Posts: 32 Location: Fallbrook, Ca. Joined: Oct 22^nd, 2010	Re: load variation Reply #17 - May 17^th, 2017 at 12:07am	Print Post
	To add to Macca's post, I have technique to gauge lead hardness that I found in an old Lyman collection of casting articles. Mount a 7/16" ball bearing in the jaws of a drill press, place a bathroom scale on the platform with the lead sample on top, press the ball bearing down on the sample until the scale reads 200 lbs, measure the diameter of the depression. I have the table that lists the relative diameters to the BHN scale around somewhere if anyone is interested, but I find the ease of comparing relative samples the most useful function.


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kcajeel Full Member Offline Posts: 170 Location: Manistee, Mi. Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2010	Re: load variation Reply #18 - Jun 2^nd, 2017 at 9:22pm	Print Post
	Macca, You spoke about using a "lead cleaning patch". I think that is a product that I've been looking for. I need to get rid of some lead smears and small lead buildup on my moulds at times. Is that what your patches are for? Lyman used to have a cloth that was supposed to do the same but when I called Lyman last week they said it's no longer available.

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Mick B Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1007 Location: 19 Ian Nicol St watson ACT aus Joined: Apr 11^th, 2013	Re: load variation Reply #19 - Jun 2^nd, 2017 at 11:02pm	Print Post
	BACo sell lead removing cloth which works well. Mike.


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macca Participating Member Offline Posts: 44 Location: nsw Joined: Jan 7^th, 2012	Re: load variation Reply #20 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 9:48am	Print Post
	Hi guys, been out of touch for a while. Mick B sent me some bullets from a Lyman mould he had. Tried them and they seemed to work - purchased mould from him. So today I tried it in competition with a 35mph westerly blowing, fortunately mostly at my back.The result is in the pic below. Scored at 100.4 with 10 shots. 1.4 inch center center. Range 110 yards. Bullet weighs around the 385 mark while my money bullet runs 407 - strange part is the load used is identical for both bullets - the only change is to move the sight up a half a point for the lighter bullet


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3982 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: load variation Reply #21 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 11:39am	Print Post
	Well, you've sure gone and ruined that target.


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GT Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2370 Location: Northeast Wyoming Joined: Jun 28^th, 2015	Re: load variation Reply #22 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 2:29pm	Print Post
	What a waste of paper only using the center, I tend to use the whole thing. Great Shooting!

	"To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk" T. A. Edison "The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right" M.T.
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Ray_Newman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 274 Location: Washington State Joined: Jul 13^th, 2004	Re: load variation Reply #23 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 4:03pm	Print Post
	Very good shooting!

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jy3855 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 368 Location: California Joined: Jul 13^th, 2015	Re: load variation Reply #24 - Aug 19^th, 2017 at 4:58pm	Print Post
	called flyer and GT, Oh, my - too funny. Glad that I wasn't drinking anything when I read your two responses. Macca, Seems like you've got it worked out pretty well what that rifle likes. Excellent load workup and shooting.


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Mal Full Member Offline Posts: 238 Location: Adelaide SOUTH AUSTRALIA Joined: Dec 5^th, 2012	Re: load variation Reply #25 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:10am	Print Post
	Hi Macca, What no. Is the Lyman mould? Kind Regards Mal.


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macca Participating Member Offline Posts: 44 Location: nsw Joined: Jan 7^th, 2012	Re: load variation Reply #26 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 8:25am	Print Post
	Hi Mal number on the block is 410678AV Cheers


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macca Participating Member Offline Posts: 44 Location: nsw Joined: Jan 7^th, 2012	Re: load variation Reply #27 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 8:38am	Print Post
	So here are the two bullets - pointy one is 382 gn the other is 406 gn - now they are shot with exactly the same load in the case. You could load 10 cases the same and shoot alternate bullets and end up with two groups about half inch apart vertically - thats if they didn't intersect. Really it shouldnt happen. Cheers
	« Last Edit: Aug 20^th, 2017 at 8:43am by macca »

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Mal Full Member Offline Posts: 238 Location: Adelaide SOUTH AUSTRALIA Joined: Dec 5^th, 2012	Re: load variation Reply #28 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 6:45pm	Print Post
	Thanks Macca,I have been flirting with that mould for some time now,we still haven't got it together yet.A new approach may be needed,have breach seated at many depths,power variations,etc.some great 3 shot groups with a couple of out liers.I almost gave up on it.Have only used Wano P so far,about to try some Swiss soon.It might just be me and my crappy technique ,I should set up the Roller in my machine rest and cut out any error.If it wasn't such a pain to set up and transport I would use it more often.Not enough time when you are retired ,too busy!! Later Mal


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macca Participating Member Offline Posts: 44 Location: nsw Joined: Jan 7^th, 2012	Re: load variation Reply #29 - Aug 20^th, 2017 at 8:43pm	Print Post
	Hi Mal, does your chamber have leade and freebore. If so dont breach seat that bullet. Im off the lands with both projectiles. I use wano 2p exclusively in the 40 calibre cases. 1p doesn't have enough oomph. My load is 64.5 gn 2P, over flash hole tracing paper wad, 30 thou oil jointing material(vegi) wad and a top tracing paper wad. Powder is drop tubed only (1 metre) absolutely no compression, projectiles are slip fit. My gun is a factory standard Browning 40/65. Chamber is slightly off center. You'll find what I do to the cases elsewhere in this thread cheers macca


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