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Water Bug Full Member Offline Posts: 158 Location: north country NYS Joined: Oct 11^th, 2012	bumping up bullets - swaging? Apr 4^th, 2017 at 8:45am	Print Post
	Is there a book or pamphlet or other help on the subject of increasing the diameter of lead bullets by swaging? I need to increase the diameter from .320"-.321" to .327" on some bullets for a rifle with a .326" Bore. Is it correct to go for a bullet either at or .001" bigger than groove diameter ? This is for a .32 - 40 using BP in a Rem. RB. Thanks for help and opinions. WB


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art_ruggiero Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1222 Location: CT Joined: Dec 14^th, 2008	Re: bumping up bullets - swaging? Reply #1 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 12:31pm	Print Post
	go on the cast bullets web sight and look for BEAGLING molds. try that art ps with black powder you can get away with a 2 or 3 thou. under bullet


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.22-5-40 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 828 Joined: Feb 13^th, 2010	Re: bumping up bullets - swaging? Reply #2 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 2:31pm	Print Post
	Contact Corbin Mfg. I had them make a reloading press type die (7/8-14 thd.) of .226 dia. for bumping up .22 cast bullets.


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Water Bug Full Member Offline Posts: 158 Location: north country NYS Joined: Oct 11^th, 2012	Re: bumping up bullets - swaging? Reply #3 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 3:45pm	Print Post
	Thanks for both suggestions. Just to educate me, why can bullets be .002-.003" under bore size with Black Powder? What may be the effect of the under size? Will some gas go by the bullet , or will it be bumped up when shot? WB


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FITZ-G Junior Member Offline Posts: 79 Joined: Jun 4^th, 2015	Re: bumping up bullets - swaging? Reply #4 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 4:55pm	Print Post
	Black Powder loads will "Bump" up the bullet right there in the throat as the powder is a true explosive. It all lights up nearly instantly and gives the Bullet aSledge Hammer blow. It is not progressive as is most Smokeless powders. Now as to your large .326 Bore size. You may have a re- Bored barrel. Might be .33 caliber. Not sure about the Bore size for .33 caliber as over the years the Bore and Groove sizes for .33s have been all over the lot. Some Groove sizes were .333 which would mean the Bore size could be as small as .328. Many were .338 Groove and I have one that slugs out at .340. So you need to do some ongoing research. Many of these old Barrels were re-bored, it was a common practice in their day. HTH Regards FITZ-G


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Longdistance1 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 468 Location: Amidon, ND Joined: Feb 11^th, 2013	Re: bumping up bullets - swaging? Reply #5 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 7:45pm	Print Post
	To bump up bullets get a piece of steel plate at least 1/4 inch thick for the bullet to drop on and a 4 foot piece of hard copper or plastic tubing that is straight, inside dia just a little larger than your bullet, stand up the tubing straight up and down on the plate, drop the bullet base down through the tube it will bump up and will be ready to run through your luberesizer. If you hear the bullet rattling down the tube it won't get enough speed to bump up use a little larger tube. HTH LD1


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: bumping up bullets - swaging? Reply #6 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 8:28pm	Print Post
	I would highly consider having a proper bullet mould made. Beagling, swagging and all other types of money saving short cuts may very well cut you way short on the accuracy potential you might be trying to achieve. An as cast proper fitting bullet just cannot be duplicated no matter how hard one tries if searching for the best in accuracy based on my own experiance. Moulds are really not that exspensive when one takes everything into consideration and a very wise investment and you can easily sell your mould to help make up for the costs if still in good condition. Try to Beagle it and ruin it and it is absoulutly worthless and you right back to having to buy yet another one to try and take its place anyway. JLouis

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: bumping up bullets - swaging? Reply #7 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 8:44pm	Print Post
	Is there a big demand for used 0.327" dia moulds?

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Mick B Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1007 Location: 19 Ian Nicol St watson ACT aus Joined: Apr 11^th, 2013	Re: bumping up bullets - swaging? Reply #8 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 8:50pm	Print Post
	It's my understanding that in the old days they has a thing called a Pound Die, the idea being that you put your cast bullet in it and then pounded it with a hammer or whatever to being the bullet up to the final dimensions. I further believe that this process was with bullets to be used with the paper patch. In this day and age it may be just easier to have a custom mould made as advised by J Louis. You can never have too many moulds, can you ?. The one potential advantage I do see with the swaging idea is that you will end up with a perfectly cylindrical projectile, with little chance of it having any voids inside. You might like to run your question past the good folks at Corbin. Mike.


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rgchristensen Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1190 Joined: Jan 2^nd, 2014	Re: bumping up bullets - swaging? Reply #9 - Apr 4^th, 2017 at 10:14pm	Print Post
	Water Bug wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 8:45am: Is there a book or pamphlet or other help on the subject of increasing the diameter of lead bullets by swaging? I need to increase the diameter from .320"-.321" to .327" on some bullets for a rifle with a .326" Bore. Is it correct to go for a bullet either at or .001" bigger than groove diameter ? This is for a .32 - 40 using BP in a Rem. RB. Thanks for help and opinions. WB LEE makes a mould for a 327-328 RN 200 gr. that may be just what you need. They are relatively inexpensive, especially compared to a custom mould that MAY work for you, and MAY NOT. I think you will eventually give up the notion of BP in a 32-40 as a bad job and go to smokeless. It is true that one can get good results with an undersized bullet with BP, if it is presented correctly in the bbl. With smokeless, it is a good rule of thumb to use a bullet slightly larger than groove diameter. If you are going to try to load fixed ammo, probably you will have to go to a smaller bullet, so that the ctg will enter the chamber. It may be a long, bumpy road that you are embarking on, but you will have a lot of fun and learn a lot of stuff. CHRIS RGChristensen


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: bumping up bullets - swaging? Reply #10 - Apr 5^th, 2017 at 1:08am	Print Post
	When I tried this I found out quickly that much more expansion takes place in the grooves than on the O.D. unless you swage 'em already lubed. The "pound die" was used for smooth-sided bullets to be shot with paper patches out of muzzleloaders.
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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: bumping up bullets - swaging? Reply #11 - Apr 5^th, 2017 at 1:12am	Print Post
	BP wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 8:44pm: Is there a big demand for used 0.327" dia moulds? For some 8mm bores, I suspose..... I had one of the three 185 grain moulds I bought through a recent group buy cut .325".

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: bumping up bullets - swaging? Reply #12 - Apr 5^th, 2017 at 1:47am	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2017 at 1:12am: BP wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 8:44pm: Is there a big demand for used 0.327" dia moulds? For some 8mm bores, I suspose..... I had one of the three 185 grain moulds I bought through a recent group buy cut .325". Phil, Did you run into a slightly oversize 8mm "S" size barrel?

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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3004 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: bumping up bullets - swaging? Reply #13 - Apr 5^th, 2017 at 3:09am	Print Post
	I have an old Lyman mould that casts .327 or .328. Not a heavy bullet. Maybe 150 grains. If you would like it, PM me.


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MartiniBelgian Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1734 Location: Aarschot Joined: Jun 7^th, 2004	Re: bumping up bullets - swaging? Reply #14 - Apr 5^th, 2017 at 4:34am	Print Post
	Water Bug wrote on Apr 4^th, 2017 at 8:45am: Is there a book or pamphlet or other help on the subject of increasing the diameter of lead bullets by swaging? I need to increase the diameter from .320"-.321" to .327" on some bullets for a rifle with a .326" Bore. Is it correct to go for a bullet either at or .001" bigger than groove diameter ? This is for a .32 - 40 using BP in a Rem. RB. Thanks for help and opinions. WB I think we have some confusion here - reading the above, it seems to me the the rifle is actually .326 groove diameter, as WB considers .327 to be ".001 bigger than groove diameter"...


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