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Feb 10th, 2017 at 5:40pm
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Are there any specific advantages or dis-advantages to the use of Nickel-plated cases considering our possible use of them? 
  

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Reply #1 - Feb 10th, 2017 at 6:02pm
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Not for smokeless, but ought to minimize the drudgery of cleaning cases used with BP.  However, I remember reading somewhere that nickeled cases were more brittle.
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 10th, 2017 at 6:28pm
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For breech-seating, I wouldn't be concerned.
Fixed is another matter... have seen a few straight wall new factory loaded rounds using nickel cases pull in half between the base and the case cannelure.
Have also seen a few new unfired nickel cases fresh out of the box that had a portion of the nickel plating from the inside of the case necks flake away during the first sizing (not re-sizing), leaving ragged surfaces for the lead bullets to bear against. Don't think that's good for uniform neck tension.
  

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Reply #3 - Feb 10th, 2017 at 6:30pm
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The subject came up recently, and some people with very good experience mentioned using nickeled cases with excellent results, and for prolonged reloadings.
I've used them myself, but not enough to give good advice as to how many loading they gave.
  

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I used to make 356 Winchester cases out of nickel plated 357 case with good results.  I lost only a few due to splits of plating peeling.

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I used to make 256 Winchester cases out of nickel plated  357 case with good results.  I lost only a few due to splits of plating peeling.

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Reply #6 - Feb 11th, 2017 at 8:02am
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I used to shoot A LOT of pistol ammo and have had the nickle cases scratched my sizing dies.  Also if you ever need to trim them, they are HARD.

So not I stay away from them.
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 11th, 2017 at 8:23am
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The chief advantage of nickel-plated brass is that it’s pretty. Years ago I found four 50 round bags of once fired John Wayne 32-40s. I bought them all and thought I was the luckiest guy around. I don’t know if it was the brass or whatever was used to clean it but about half the cases started to crack at the transition from the wall to the base. Also I found that they fire formed poorly to the chamber always leaving powder residue at the mouth of the cartridge. I finally went back to brass. A couple of years after that I stumbled across a shooter who was hot for those shiny cases. I sold them all except 20 that I kept for making loading tools (they are pretty).

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Reply #8 - Feb 11th, 2017 at 9:46am
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   I found a bag of new 45-70 N/P cases in some of my stuff.  I am starting another new "durren-project" using a shortened (1.80"oal.) 45-70 case to make a Michigan-legal "pistol-cartridge" Ruger SS #1 rifle for deer hunting. 
    In principle, its just setting the barrel back and cutting a new chamber to accommodate the slightly different taper shortening the case will create, having him tweak the trigger, and modify the sight rib to fit the set-back barrel.
    I also have a whole bunch of standard 45-70 brass. So I thought I might make up a few of each and then, when the rifle is done, give it a try in a "class 3" match or two just to see how it works at the longer range (it'll obviously be a hunting rifle rather than a "match rifle" I'm sure) and at the same time do a side by side test of the cases, out of my compulsive curiosity Cheesy.
  

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Reply #9 - Feb 11th, 2017 at 10:15am
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FWIW, the nickle plating on those casing is extremely thin, so I would doubt if it would have any effect whatsoever.  When annealing, you won't be able to see a colour change though.  I use nickeled .470 NE to convert to no.2 Musket, and it works just fine - even if it is a raather serious case forming operation.  No flaking, and the inside of the case is brass - not nickeled.
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 11th, 2017 at 2:53pm
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Something you might mull over is how many nickeled military cases have you seen over the years, and why not.
  

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Reply #11 - Feb 11th, 2017 at 3:31pm
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BP, the US once did plate their .45-70 rounds in the late 1880s. It was done to prevent buildup of verdigris and other corrosion of the cases. I have several of these, still loaded and looking good after all that time. But, I think that the reason most military cases were not plated was cost and shiny material related. Just an opinion. 
I do have a few of the JW cases that Winchester made, and they shoot fine. I call 'em my prom Wink bullets.
  
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DW the 32-40 Nickel cases have been my favorite cases used for breech seating and I have never had an issue with them not blowing out to fit the chamber, cracking or being found hard to trim. It also intrests
me about all the talk of the need of annealing cases. In regards to breech seating in the past sixteen years of competitive shooting I never had the need to do so. I have done so in the past strickly out of curiosity and I found I should have just left well enough alone and have not done it since. I found it to shorten case life and not improve it and what few cases I have lost over the years were those I annealed and they collapsed at the mouth of the case and the process used was indeed done correctly should one wonder if that might have been the cause of which it was not.

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Reply #13 - Feb 11th, 2017 at 7:25pm
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For this particular use as a hunting rifle my ammo will mostly be "fixed" and most likely jacketed loads. I have a lifetime supply of good point jacketed hunting bullets.
  I may try a few cast loads in our "class 3" (40 cal and up) matches, but I doubt the rifle will be as good as most of the serious guys shooting class 3 matches are using.   So for me it'll be mostly just seeing how the hunting rifle does at that range and having a little fun doing so.   might even try it off hand too.
  IF I was really serious about Third Class I have a very good Browning-Miroku "hi-wall" in standard 45-70 with breech-seater and a couple good molds for it.
  

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Reply #14 - Feb 12th, 2017 at 7:32am
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Back in the 1950s when cops carried revolvers they had leather cartridge carriers on their duty belt. Nickle plated cases didn't turn green in the leather loops that held the rounds. 

I have used both platted and not plated brass over the years and the biggest advantage of the platted has always been the corrosion resistance. I can find no down side to the use of platted.

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