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Ponderosa Paul Junior Member Offline Posts: 69 Joined: Nov 17^th, 2013	30-30 for target shooting? Jan 28^th, 2017 at 10:48pm	Print Post
	I`m putting together a Peabody -Martini for target shooting and I am thinking about chambering it in 30-30 Win. I will be only shooting cast bullets in it . Anybody out there have any experience with this caliber for target shooting? Thank you,Paul.


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7247 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 30-30 for target shooting? Reply #1 - Jan 28^th, 2017 at 10:55pm	Print Post
	Are you looking to shoot breech seat or fixed, PB or GC and in what velocity range? Frank

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Rich_Siegel Full Member Offline Posts: 177 Location: Maine Joined: Feb 6^th, 2006	Re: 30-30 for target shooting? Reply #2 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 8:14am	Print Post
	I shoot with a man who uses a 30-30 CPA set up for offhand. He breech-seats his lead bullets and never benched the rifle at 200 yards. One day on a lark, he benched the rifle and shoot a 1 1/2" group, first try. I'd say that the 30-30 has potential. Rich


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irish66 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 534 Location: newbraunfels Joined: Apr 7^th, 2007	Re: 30-30 for target shooting? Reply #3 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 8:24am	Print Post
	Had a friend in n.w. Ar that had a martini with an eldon montgomery barrel in 30-30 wcf. Breech seating. It did extremely well. Recently i built a 30-30 on a fbw mod j. With a shilen #8 heavy varmit bbl. with 150 gr psp ww slugs i am shooting .125 groups 5 shot at 100 yards. The scope is a 4-12 buckmaster. The reamer i used is a standard 30-30 wcf from pacific tool. Have always liked this round, shot many mod 92's etc but wanted a long barrel to see what it will do. And am very surprised how well it shoots.


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Travelor Full Member Offline Posts: 132 Location: Central Arkansas Joined: May 5^th, 2008	Re: 30-30 for target shooting? Reply #4 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 9:57am	Print Post
	The 30-30 cartridge is very under appreciated! When I was too young to drive (50+ years ago), our town had a 50 yard police/civilian range. The members shot a number of fun matches including 30-30 from the bench. These matches left a very lasting impression on me as to the accuracy potential of this cartridge. Based upon that impression, I just purchased a Remington 788 in this cartridge specifically to shoot cast bullets. On the first outing with 14 grains of IMR 4227 and a SAECO 170 grain cast bullet it shot one hole 5 shot groups at 50 yards and 1" 5 shot groups at 100. Looking forward to more load development when it warms up. Easy to get cases and bullets combined with accuracy make this a sleeper cartridge!


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Ponderosa Paul Junior Member Offline Posts: 69 Joined: Nov 17^th, 2013	Re: 30-30 for target shooting? Reply #5 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 11:13am	Print Post
	I`m thinking of shooting both PB and GC with fixed ammo, and bench rest. Thank you guys for the response . Paul


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7247 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 30-30 for target shooting? Reply #6 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 1:46pm	Print Post
	You can get maximum cast bullet velocitys with fixed 190 - 220 gr bullets in the 30/30. But, for best accuracy, you'll need a well fitting, bore riding bullet. The 30/30, really has no throat, to speak of. It's like the 32/40, in that regard. At the end of the chamber neck, it's .332 and tapers down to bore size at a 15 degree angle. The 32/40 does the same but, starting at .343 at a 21 deg. angle. That's why you need a bore rider, there is nothing to align the bullet, into the rifling, w/o that bore riding portion in the lands. The 15 deg. actually acts like a funnel. A throating reamer will make fixed cartridges more accurate and BSing easier. But, for breech seating, it doesn't make a lot of difference if you use a tapered bullet. BSing a oversize, cylinderical bullet will damage the bullet when you BS in that type chamber. Look for custom molds that cast no larger than .310 or Lyman/Ideal bullet molds marked with a "U" for either application. I hope that helps, Frank

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 30-30 for target shooting? Reply #7 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 5:47pm	Print Post
	The 30-30 does indeed make for a competitive Schuetzen benchrest rfile. We have one in our group of competitors and I have seen it shoot extremely well / just as competitive as anything found on the line. Cons increased wind sensitivity; Pros a real Hoot to shoot and I have shot the one mentioned above. I believe the reason you don't see it being used more in Schuetzen benchrest competition is its simply more challenging in the wind compared to the more popular 32's currently being used and thus a handicap to those who do not want to spend the time and effort to fully understand the wind and mirage and how to be able to correct for it. The game of winning in the sport has allot to do with one simply putting the odds in ones favor and the 30-30 typicaly does not put those odds in ones favor and the goal for most is to get out and win and right fully so as the game we play is an extremely competitive shooting event. But the people you meet, knowledge shared, knowledge gained and the friendships gained along they way are vastly more important than winning a match could ever be. JLouis

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7247 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 30-30 for target shooting? Reply #8 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 7:12pm	Print Post
	The 30 caliber rifle, is not hanicaped by wind. Not at all! I've shot 30 calibers since the second year I entered this sport, in 1985. The caliber was 32/35 with a 14 twist Douglas barrel. I shoot mostly 33 cal now but, I still shoot one of my HW 30's (machined 30/40 case, 12 twist A&M bbl), in the occastional match. If you don't think a 30 can be competitive, look at this target, shot at 200 in a ASSRA match. I'll add the bullet that shot that group, also. Frank

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3541 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: 30-30 for target shooting? Reply #9 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 7:22pm	Print Post
	Two 30-30s in my experience were owned by old friends. One, a M54 Winchester, would shoot cast so well that many who saw the results tried to pry it out of the owner's safe. He'd bought it new, and never would let that one go. The other was built on one of those Thomson/Center actions and was scary accurate with cast and jacketed. Don't know what made him change that one over into a .300 Savage. (a terrific round itself). He did, though and never found the magic again. I think it's a pretty underrated round myself- not that anybody cares what I think


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7247 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 30-30 for target shooting? Reply #10 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 7:25pm	Print Post
	A draw back to 30 cal is the lack of good BSing bullets. I was lucky enough to have bought my Ron Long molds in the 80's and still have all 3 of them. 30 cal molds need to be updated a little, like the 32's have been. They need to (for smokeless) a little shallower grooves and a little longer bearing area and nose to have the same BC as the 217 gr 32's. If there were enough interested people, I would do a group by for a competive 30 cal mold. It would be close to the bullet I'm using but, around 195 gr for a 12 or faster twist. Frank

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 30-30 for target shooting? Reply #11 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 8:17pm	Print Post
	If a group buy was to be more representitive to a design that would be more directed at what the majority would like to have I think a few I know might then join in. What that might be would be better determined by a Poll on this site and not just that based one individuals personal opinion.

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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1748 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: 30-30 for target shooting? Reply #12 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 8:58pm	Print Post
	I could be interested in jumping in on a Heavy 30 cal bullet for my Lilja 8 twist 32-40 Rem Hep which is a "true" 30 cal at 300 land/308 groove beltfed/arnie


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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3872 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: 30-30 for target shooting? Reply #13 - Jan 29^th, 2017 at 9:47pm	Print Post
	DO IT!

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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: 30-30 for target shooting? Reply #14 - Jan 30^th, 2017 at 9:12am	Print Post
	irish66 wrote on Jan 29^th, 2017 at 8:24am: Have always liked this round, shot many mod 92's etc but wanted a long barrel to see what it will do. And am very surprised how well it shoots. Am guessing, if you are referring to Win leverguns, you typo'd the "mod 92's" and meant "mod 94's", as the Model 92 was not chambered (nor could it be) in the 30-30. If memory serves, the 30-30 cartridge/smokeless powder being the reasons JBrwng designed the Model 94.

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