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Suggestions for "the" bullet for a 32/40, 15" twis
Jan 3rd, 2017 at 2:51pm
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I bought a older CPA (1996) a few years ago  and have never really been satisfied with it's accuracy. My latest thoughts are centering on the 15 inch twist of the barrel and the bullets that I've been using.
All of the bullets that I've been using are 1.5 to 1.6 inches long and weigh from 205 to 209 grains. I've been trying to hold my lead mix to between 1 in 20 to 1 in 25. I do weigh my bullets and sort them by weight to within 3 tenths of a grain.
As far as my powder I use Alliant 300 MP at 14.5 grains.
I'm not too bad of a shot. I win my share of shoots at my local club. But we're talking muzzleloading rifle, bullseye pistol, small bore silhouette, and anything else we might think of. But I just can't seem to get consistancy with this cast bullet stuff.
I've been looking at this lately and think maybe I'm using too long a bullet for that rifeling.
Can I get some ideas from you guys?

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Re: Suggestions for "the" bullet for a 32/40, 15" twis
Reply #1 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 3:05pm
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sounds like your bullet is too long   art
  
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Re: Suggestions for "the" bullet for a 32/40, 15" twis
Reply #2 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 3:48pm
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I'm in a kinda similar situation - .30-20 (meaning .308 groove), 15 inch twist barrel.  And to make it worse, I shoot BP in it - which means my MV is subsonic.
I decided upon a 150gr bullet as optimal, but I also shoot the 308403 Pope bullet (at 170gr), which might just be on the ragged edge of stability:  It still shoots well at 100m (didn't try it yet at longer ranges), but if you look carefully at the targets, you can detect some tipping - sometimes.  So yes, I'd think your bullets might just be a smidgen too long for that 15-twist barrel.  And a bullet is better off overstabilized than understabilized IMO.
  
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Re: Suggestions for "the" bullet for a 32/40, 15" twis
Reply #3 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 4:39pm
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I'm going to assume that the 1.5-1.6 is a typo. I think you mean 1.15,1.16? That would go along with the bullet weights you quote, also.

If I'm right about that, then your right in the sweet spot of what a 15 twist likes.

I don't use 300mp but, from what I know, it's primer sincitive and needs hotter primers.

The other thing that I might suggest is you base band is to small or the seated depth is off or both.

If I'm right about the bullet length and it's a spitzer, it will shoot well.

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Reply #4 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 4:41pm
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Bullet design plays a big part of it and you failed to mention those specifics so there is no way really to provide an honest answer. Unfortunatly you are going to end up with just personal opinions with no bases to form it on.
  

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Re: Suggestions for "the" bullet for a 32/40, 15" twis
Reply #5 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 5:52pm
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Sorry guys but you caught me good. The bullets that I usually shoot were not measured before I wrote the message and I was quoting measurements from my bad memory. The real measurements are 1.098 length from a spitzer Mos bullet and the other is a 1.074 with just a little more flat nose in a Hoch nose pour.
The Mos pours great. Not much weight variation. The Hoch has one section that frosts up a little and I haven't been able to figure it out.
  

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Re: Suggestions for "the" bullet for a 32/40, 15" twis
Reply #6 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 5:55pm
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And John, I don't know enough about bullet design to describe the bullets.
  

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Reply #7 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 5:58pm
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This isn't opinion, but the part frost, part shiny is from venting a little off. My old mentor knew this, and knew his stuff. This part is opinion, enlarge the pour hole in the sprue plate, since the mold drops good otherwise. Like I said, just an opinion.
  
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Re: Suggestions for "the" bullet for a 32/40, 15" twis
Reply #8 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 6:06pm
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That lenght bullet will be well stabilize, what ever it's design, in a 15 twist.

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Reply #9 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 8:34pm
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You gave some of the design discreption in your last post, what are the band sizes, how many grease grooves for each of those two bullets and what is the groove dia. of your barrel.

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Reply #10 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 9:44pm
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A 15 twist barrel cannot stabilize a 1.5 or a 1.6 length bullet as was noted in the original post and for someone to say it will is simply nothing other than a false statement. Kcajeel are your bullets. 1.115 and 1.116, 1.050 & 1.060 or 1.005 and 1.006 in actual length.

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Re: Suggestions for "the" bullet for a 32/40, 15" twis
Reply #11 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 10:39pm
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Kcajeel send me a PM with your e-mail address. 300MP is an outstanding powder for your use and once you post the answers to my questions and I have time to dwell on them I would like to help get you get where you would like to go with that specific powder. Its the only powder I use and having gone through 64lbs. here shortly I think I might be able to provide a little help. Also 90% of it was used in my CPA Model 52 32-40 15 twist Douglas XX .320 groove barrel I beleive to be very similar to yours.

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Re: Suggestions for "the" bullet for a 32/40, 15" twis
Reply #12 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 10:47pm
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Greenhill formula for 32 caliber, 15" twist bullet length should be 1.043"
1.5" would not stabilize at that slow a twist.
  
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Re: Suggestions for "the" bullet for a 32/40, 15" twis
Reply #13 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 10:52pm
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Now who's losing track of the thread? Smiley Smiley The bullets ain't one and a half inches long.
  
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Re: Suggestions for "the" bullet for a 32/40, 15" twis
Reply #14 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 11:17pm
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CF best go back to the original post where it was stated 1.5 and 1.6. in length. There is now way they would stabalize nor would they be able to match the weights he stated. How anyone here can continue to provide this sincere gentleman any means of honest and positive information and direction without knowing all of the intricate specifics is simply beyond my understanding. It all appears to me as soley being based on assumptions up to this point but maybe I am missing something and if so I apologize but please take the time to point it out to me so I don't inadvertently make the same mistake twice.

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