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tfrank Newbie Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Feb 4^th, 2018	Re: Restorative welding Reply #15 - Feb 9^th, 2018 at 6:53pm	Print Post
	singleshotsam wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 10:56pm: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) 815 732 1249 Pete does great work, just received two roller breech blocks back from him on Monday. He is knowledgeable and reasonable been using him for years. Never a problem or issue. SSS Well I just finished talking to Mr. Nagel for about 45 minutes and I must say I am very impressed with both his knowledge and his willingness to share knowledge. A very friendly and helpful gentleman!!! He gave me some great info so I think I might give this welding thing a try on my own... after I scrounge up a few of the items he told me were must haves!!! Lucky for me I already have the expensive ones!!! God Bless, Frank.


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John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1756 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	Re: Restorative welding Reply #16 - Feb 9^th, 2018 at 9:13pm	Print Post
	jhm wrote on Feb 9^th, 2018 at 5:14pm: Thanks Mr. Taylor.... A liner was in the plans anyway as the inside of the barrel is no good. Now to order that cutter....... JMH Forgot to say, the dovetail toward the muzzle is .060" deep and the one toward the action is .070" deep. When I relieve the corners for starting the mag tube I set the barrel .050" to the side of center and just take a tad off then do the opposite corner the same way. This help to get the ring started and as it turns in it will get tighter. Go a little at a time so you get a good fit. On the cutter I use I go .085" in both directions for a proper fit but not all cutters are the same size. I usually do 5 or more barrels in a row once I get the mill set up.

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sakoman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 282 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Feb 20^th, 2006	Re: Restorative welding Reply #17 - Feb 9^th, 2018 at 10:38pm	Print Post
	Does anyone what make- model of TIG welder mr. Nagle uses?


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16736 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Restorative welding Reply #18 - Feb 10^th, 2018 at 11:03am	Print Post
	Not sure about Mr. Nagel, but the young man I use has a Miller Multimatic 215 Multiprocess Welder. He's done everything from tiny gun parts, to brackets on car axles for me.

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fallschirmjaeger Newbie Offline Posts: 5 Joined: Jul 10^th, 2014	Re: Restorative welding Reply #19 - Feb 10^th, 2018 at 4:43pm	Print Post
	When doing restorative welding, can the part be re-heat treated? Or can this type of welding only be done on non-heat treated components? I ask because I have been told that the composition of the welding metal and base metal would heat treat differently and could cause another potential failure in a lesser period of time. I have a split shotgun hammer that needs repair or replaced.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16736 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Restorative welding Reply #20 - Feb 10^th, 2018 at 5:51pm	Print Post
	I've had welding done on hammers, receivers, triggers, etc. and then had them case hardened afterwards, or rust blued. No problems ever on the parts I had done. But be sure the person doing the welding knows what they're doing, and uses the correct alloy filler rod.

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SBertram Full Member Offline Posts: 102 Joined: Mar 24^th, 2016	Re: Restorative welding Reply #21 - Feb 11^th, 2018 at 9:10am	Print Post
	Yes parts can be heat treated after welding but you need an idea of what the parent material is made of. I saw your post on double gunshop. That is a very difficult repair for the best of craftsman. I would build a new hammer in your case. A big and costly job but the proper solution to your problem in my opinion. I use Peter Nagel often but would want no part of attempting a repair to that hammer.


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John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1756 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	Re: Restorative welding Reply #22 - Feb 11^th, 2018 at 9:44am	Print Post
	I have welded a few hammers with not much trouble. If it is going to be color cased then mild steel can be used as a filler. On Remington rollers I have used spring steel on the full cock notch so it can be hard for a good trigger pull.

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SBertram Full Member Offline Posts: 102 Joined: Mar 24^th, 2016	Re: Restorative welding Reply #23 - Feb 11^th, 2018 at 12:29pm	Print Post
	I have done the same John, I just welded a new spur on an old British hammer and had Pete do the final welding for me. It came out great. But there are hammers and then there hammers.....take a look at his problem (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) That is not one I would weld, just my opinion though.


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fallschirmjaeger Newbie Offline Posts: 5 Joined: Jul 10^th, 2014	Re: Restorative welding Reply #24 - Feb 11^th, 2018 at 4:47pm	Print Post
	Thanks for your input Steve. John, it's an internal hammer. Also, I need to PM you about a Martini job we talked on the phone about in the spring...


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