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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1681 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Restorative welding Dec 4^th, 2016 at 8:55pm	Print Post
	Where can I send an octagon barrel that someone was not kind to when removing. It has some wrench damage also needs dovetail restoration. It came off an 1890 win pump(and no I didn't do it). Want to reline it but need the damage repaired. Have tried Homestead parts for a repro but they are always sold out. Thanks JMH


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jfeldman ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1088 Location: Imperial Beach, Ca Joined: Nov 5^th, 2005	Re: Restorative welding Reply #1 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 9:47pm	Print Post
	In the headers for the For Sale section, there's an add for Pete Nagel, restorative welding, in the single shot products thread - #5. Have heard good reports, no first hand experience. Regards Joe


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chawk Full Member Offline Posts: 208 Location: Virginia Joined: Jan 29^th, 2014	Re: Restorative welding Reply #2 - Dec 5^th, 2016 at 9:00am	Print Post
	Contact Mike Hunter on this forum. He specializes in Winchester restorations.


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digitall423 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 747 Location: Mexico Beach, FL Joined: Aug 5^th, 2005	Re: Restorative welding Reply #3 - Dec 5^th, 2016 at 9:27am	Print Post
	I had Mr. Nagle weld a tang on a Stevens sideplate. He did a beautiful job but he just welds. For a complete job including machining I would contact John Taylor at Taylor machine.


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Bill Lawrence Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1037 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: Restorative welding Reply #4 - Dec 5^th, 2016 at 12:15pm	Print Post
	While I can easily see the advantages of a one-stop weld/clean-up/machining experience, I have found Peter Nagel's work to be impeccable, and it's guaranteed. And since I consider the welding to be the keystone of such restoration projects, I'd rather have that step done perfectly and go from there. Bill Lawrence
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SBertram Full Member Offline Posts: 102 Joined: Mar 24^th, 2016	Re: Restorative welding Reply #5 - Dec 5^th, 2016 at 12:28pm	Print Post
	+1 Peter has done many very difficult jobs for me over the years. He knows his stuff. His understanding of metallurgy far exceeds any other welder I have encountered, especially in regards to vintage firearms.


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tdelewis Full Member Offline Posts: 119 Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013	Re: Restorative welding Reply #6 - Dec 8^th, 2016 at 10:20am	Print Post
	Get a new barrel. have it installed and have the correct roll stamp added to it. I think green mountain has them.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16736 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Restorative welding Reply #7 - Dec 8^th, 2016 at 12:56pm	Print Post
	tdelewis wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 10:20am: Get a new barrel. have it installed and have the correct roll stamp added to it. I think green mountain has them. Yes, but it will always be a replacement barrel, and even the best replacement rollstamps are not like the originals to a trained eye. I've had John Taylor weld barrels for me, and lengthen shortened barrels. When I got them back they only needed minor polishing and rust blue to finish them off. They retained all the original rollstamps, serial numbers, and markings under the forearm; plus a new bore. That means a lot to me, as having all the stamps and markings done perfectly is expensive and rarely 100% perfect.

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John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1756 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	Re: Restorative welding Reply #8 - Dec 8^th, 2016 at 6:17pm	Print Post
	I do 1890 barrels often, have two in the works now. The octagon barrel at Green Mountain measures .850 at the chamber end, the 1890 should be .750 at the chamber end. Unless you are doing the work yourself the cost of a reline, welding and finish could run the price up as high as a new barrel. Gun Parts Corp has barrel listed for under $100 but have been sold out every time I look. I think I have one on the shelf but they do not have a taper to them and the markings are not right.

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tfrank Newbie Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Feb 4^th, 2018	Re: Restorative welding Reply #9 - Feb 7^th, 2018 at 10:24pm	Print Post
	Does anyone have contact info for Pete Nagel??? I have a 1915 Favorite receiver with a broken lower tang that I would really like to save. God Bless, Frank.


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singleshotsam Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Location: Silver City NM Joined: Jan 15^th, 2009	Re: Restorative welding Reply #10 - Feb 7^th, 2018 at 10:56pm	Print Post
	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) 815 732 1249 Pete does great work, just received two roller breech blocks back from him on Monday. He is knowledgeable and reasonable been using him for years. Never a problem or issue. SSS


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tfrank Newbie Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Feb 4^th, 2018	Re: Restorative welding Reply #11 - Feb 8^th, 2018 at 8:44pm	Print Post
	Thank you for the quick reply!!! God Bless, Frank.


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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1681 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Re: Restorative welding Reply #12 - Feb 8^th, 2018 at 8:49pm	Print Post
	Mr Nagel contacted me and told me he did not weld on barrels. Believe it or not I gave it to the welding instructor at my local tech. school and he gave it to his best student (what did I have to lose?)He did a great job. After a bit of mill work and some draw filing it turned out good. Only problem is I don't know what the radius is for the lower dovetails. Also found a supplier in Florida (winchesterbarrels) that offers one complete for 275.00 JMH


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John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1756 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	Re: Restorative welding Reply #13 - Feb 9^th, 2018 at 11:33am	Print Post
	I uses a 9/16" dovetail cutter. First remove most of the metal with a 1/2" end mill. Then cut with the dovetail cutter to center and move in both directions lengthwise. The edge will need to be opened up so the ring can be started by twisting it clockwise. You will also need to install a liner because the bore will have a tight spot where the barrel was welded.

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jhm Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1681 Location: georgia Joined: Sep 4^th, 2011	Re: Restorative welding Reply #14 - Feb 9^th, 2018 at 5:14pm	Print Post
	Thanks Mr. Taylor.... A liner was in the plans anyway as the inside of the barrel is no good. Now to order that cutter....... JMH


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