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Vintage Page-Lewis .22LR Model C
Nov 25th, 2016 at 5:46pm
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She's a 1921 4dig.# and is all Factory OE  Cheesy Cheesy
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Re: Vintage Page-Lewis .22LR Model C
Reply #1 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 9:24pm
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Nice one! I've been a fan of the Page-Lewis rifles for a long time. I like the simplicity of the breech block mechanism being self contained as a Ballard but using only 1 spring for both the hammer and trigger. I have the A, B and C model swinging blocks and a 49 and 50 bolt action. The only one I don't have is the model D bolt action.
  
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Re: Vintage Page-Lewis .22LR Model C
Reply #2 - Nov 25th, 2016 at 11:42pm
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Deadeye Bly wrote on Nov 25th, 2016 at 9:24pm:
Nice one! I've been a fan of the Page-Lewis rifles for a long time. I like the simplicity of the breech block mechanism being self contained as a Ballard but using only 1 spring for both the hammer and trigger. I have the A, B and C model swinging blocks and a 49 and 50 bolt action. The only one I don't have is the model D bolt action.


Thats a collection ...did you check out the rifling in the C ?  it sure is way different!  Ol Deuce
  

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Reply #3 - Nov 29th, 2016 at 5:43pm
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Is there a source for dating Page-Lewis rifles with the serial number?
  
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mazo kid wrote on Nov 29th, 2016 at 5:43pm:
Is there a source for dating Page-Lewis rifles with the serial number?


I did find some history on the 22s but now I will have to see what I can come back up with??  Ol Deuce
  

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Reply #5 - Nov 30th, 2016 at 2:08am
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Page-Lewis c1925 Single Shot Rifles (eventually bought by Savage)
The Page Lewis story is a long, complicated and fascinating insight into the incestuous nature of the gun industry. Mr. Page and Mr. Lewis had been associated with Stevens then went out on their own, made guns for Eugene Reising, and later sold their operation to Savage who also acquired Stevens. Eventually Page Lewis guns were sold by Stevens under their Springfield brand name (not to be confused with the government's Springfield Armory which was about 10 miles from the Page Lewis and Stevens operations in Chicopee Falls , Mass. These folks also were involved with the Stevens- Duryea automobile Company, L.S. Starrett (tool makers), Hunter Arms Company, High Standard, and several other non-gun related manufacturing enterprises. People forget that innovative gun-making technology was at the very core of the rise of American manufacturing and tool making success, but that is another long and interesting story in itself.

Page Lewis started off making simple rolling block rifles with frames of laminated steel (a sandwich of two thin side plates with a inch thick spacer piece between) and then moved on to simple bolt action designs. Their model "D was an entry level gun for junior shooters that had to be manually cocked, a desirable safety feature for youthful shooters as well as less expensive to make. This model was produced 1923-1928 with a 20 inch barrel. During this time Savage/Stevens bought the assets of Page Lewis and in 1928 they introduced the Model 50 Springfield Junior which was little more than a Model D with a bit larger stock and a 24 inch barrel. This model, priced at $5.87 was discontinued in 1933 in favor of the Model 52 with a 22 inch barrel and this model sold for $3.98 in the 1933 Sears Roebuck catalog. Most inexpensive rifles and shotguns were not serial numbered prior to the Gun Control Act of 1968 when a requirement for serial numbers was imposed on all firearms. (The above passages are from the Dictionary of Guns & Gunmakers by John Walter ISBN 1-85367-392-7)

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Re: Vintage Page-Lewis .22LR Model C
Reply #6 - Nov 30th, 2016 at 2:14am
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Recently acquired a Page-Lewis single shot .22, Olympic Model, model C, made in 1921. Page-Lewis designed and patented the falling block and made a few, estimated <2000 of the rifles before going bankrupt. Nobody knows how many Olympics were made. Sold the patent to Stevens Automobile Co. who went in the tank in that market and merged with Savage. Savage/Stevens made a very slight modification to the action and the result is the action used today on their single shot falling block .22’s. “Lewis” of Page-Lewis was the designer of the Lewis machine gun.
  

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From what I've read Page was the money man and Lewis was the manufacturing  guru. I think during a Stevens reorganization their jobs were eliminated so they struck out on their own. They only lasted a few years so early guns and late guns are only about 6 years apart.

My Springfield Jr. has the Savage logo on the stock. My model 49 does not. It is a bolt action similar to the Springfield Jr except the receiver is smaller diameter like the D model and it has a 22" barrel. The stock is a little slimmer through the wrist and the forend is shorter. It is marked "Challenge" where the Springfield Jr is marked. It has a stamped steel butt plate unlike the model D. I think it is the most rare of them all as this is the only one I have ever seen and I've never seen a reference to one.
  
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Re: Vintage Page-Lewis .22LR Model C
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Deadeye Bly wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 8:50am:
From what I've read Page was the money man and Lewis was the manufacturing  guru. I think during a Stevens reorganization their jobs were eliminated so they struck out on their own. They only lasted a few years so early guns and late guns are only about 6 years apart.

My Springfield Jr. has the Savage logo on the stock. My model 49 does not. It is a bolt action similar to the Springfield Jr except the receiver is smaller diameter like the D model and it has a 22" barrel. The stock is a little slimmer through the wrist and the forend is shorter. It is marked "Challenge" where the Springfield Jr is marked. It has a stamped steel butt plate unlike the model D. I think it is the most rare of them all as this is the only one I have ever seen and I've never seen a reference to one.


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Re: Vintage Page-Lewis .22LR Model C
Reply #9 - Nov 30th, 2016 at 8:54pm
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I've never taken any pictures of any of them.
  
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Reply #10 - Nov 30th, 2016 at 9:20pm
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Deadeye Bly wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 8:50am:
From what I've read Page was the money man and Lewis was the manufacturing  guru. I think during a Stevens reorganization their jobs were eliminated so they struck out on their own. They only lasted a few years so early guns and late guns are only about 6 years apart.


Page.....Page-Lewis....Stevens......Never saw the connection before.   Irving Page was Joshua Stevens' money man up until 1896.  Stevens retired, Page took over and expanded the company at a fearsome rate.  I've only recently realized that he must have been up to his eyeballs in debt, (we would say "over-leveraged" today).  Else how could Westinghouse just waltz in and take over in 1916?  Post-war, it's said that Page wanted to take it back, but failed.  So Page-Lewis looks like his alternative, with Page the money man again, and Lewis the engineer.  Now I have to expand my Stevens collection to include a Page-Lewis!  Does it ever end? 
  

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Re: Vintage Page-Lewis .22LR Model C
Reply #11 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:51am
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uscra112 wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 9:20pm:
Deadeye Bly wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 8:50am:
From what I've read Page was the money man and Lewis was the manufacturing  guru. I think during a Stevens reorganization their jobs were eliminated so they struck out on their own. They only lasted a few years so early guns and late guns are only about 6 years apart.


Page.....Page-Lewis....Stevens......Never saw the connection before.   Irving Page was Joshua Stevens' money man up until 1896.  Stevens retired, Page took over and expanded the company at a fearsome rate.  I've only recently realized that he must have been up to his eyeballs in debt, (we would say "over-leveraged" today).  Else how could Westinghouse just waltz in and take over in 1916?  Post-war, it's said that Page wanted to take it back, but failed.  So Page-Lewis looks like his alternative, with Page the money man again, and Lewis the engineer.  Now I have to expand my Stevens collection to include a Page-Lewis!  Does it ever end? 


It's kinda cool how all this intermingles to what we have today !!!! Wink  History  !     Ol Deuce
  

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Reply #12 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 8:55am
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I've done a little "Googling" since this thread started. Irving page died of a sudden heart attack in 1924. I guess this is what lead to the liquidation of the company. Savage bought the entire operation in 1926 and moved it the Savage factory. They sold off the remaining inventory of rifles. They discontinued the swinging block rifles but improved the bolt action and brought out the model 50 Springfield Jr. in 1928. I imagine the model 49 was introduced at the same time. The Springfield Jr was made until 1933 when it was replaced with one of Savage design. Perhaps the Springfield Jr was in development at Page Lewis when they got sold, I guess we'll never know, but apparently they were all assembled and sold by Savage. They are still marked Page Lewis on the barrel but many have the Savage logo on the stock.
A side note: Lewis was the inventor of the Lewis machine gun.
  
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Reply #13 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 10:07am
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Deadeye Bly wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 8:55am:
 
A side note: Lewis was the inventor of the Lewis machine gun.


Say what???  Shocked   Now I've gotta find a Lewis gun too?  *sigh*

I found an appreciation of the swinging-block models in deHaas.   Looks like he lifted the "sandwich" construction for his own "Chicopee" design.
  

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Reply #14 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 7:59am
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Correction: George S. Lewis of Page Lewis was NOT the designer of the Lewis machine gun. This was one of those internet "facts" that needed to be checked out. I'm sorry for any confusion.
  
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