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Jul 25th, 2016 at 3:45pm
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I think I'm gonna order this chicken bullet I modified off the Sagebrush site for the 35-40.   

This is for a relined Marlin Ballard with a .357 hammer forged liner;   Groove=.357 Bore=.348.     I’d be interested in comments on this drawing concerning fit or whatever you might add.   The chamber is a done deal but bullet fit is something I’d be interested in from those more experienced with Black Powder than I am (which will be just about anybody).  I'll try and add a pdf of the chamber in the next post.

As it stand now, I drew the bands so that I could seat the bullet all the way into the .500 neck covering the lube groove above the last full .359 band and exposing the two .348 bands, which would be seated out into the .348 diameter rifling.   Plus or minus tolerance would be positive for the full size driving bands and negative for the reduced driving bands.  While it’s not a bore rider, the front driving bands sort of function as such.  The way I drew the chamber/reamer, my fireformed brass allows for finger-seating a bullet sized to .359, having only to bell the neck.  I am in hopes that this will optimize concentricity.

I’m curious about fouling being an issue in cases where that fit is exact or if it should be further reduced to allow for fowling.   So far most of my BP shooting has employed blow-tubing as opposed to wiping.    I may have to wipe as opposed to blow-tubing if the fit is tight but some of that would depend on the mold maker’s tolerance.

btw, I'm gonna give take a chance and order from a new source: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) The drawing I just created says Brooks but that is just because I didn't know how to add a new mold maker to the drop-down box.   From his web site, he's a shooter and has good reviews.  I've been wanting to try him out so I know if he's an option for other molds.



  

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Reply #1 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 3:46pm
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Reamer diagram:
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:01pm
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Good looking bullet John, tell me how it shoots and casts, I might want to try that for my chicken bullet./-
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:12pm
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I'll sure do it Hiwall55!

I failed to mention that a 14 twist was as fast as I could get in that liner.   Big bit of info there.

I thought 280gr 1.25" was probably as heavy/long as I'd want to go.   I know that some of the big boys shooting this are way up near 360gr with 10" twists and such.  

In fact it was Steve Baldwin who showed me his and then gave me a copy of his reamer diagram.  I had to change it a bit since it was a liner with a smaller groove diameter.  First class gentleman that guy.   

So far the only thing I've shot in it was the Lyman 358318 at 250gr.   It was reaching out to 650yd but that was a 34" metal gong, and in a light wind at that.  It's not one I'll count on for BPCR though the fast twists are working well enough.
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Reply #4 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 7:43pm
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Just a personal opinion but before the bullet leaves the barrel the base will try to catch up to the nose and thus making the bullet shorter in overall length before it leaves the muzzle than originaly cast. With that being said one only wants enough lube grooves as not to create a leading issue. When the base trys to catch up to the nose and is referred to as the accordian affect and the lesser amount of lube grooves required to prevent leading the better and the less effect the accordian effect will have. So one does not want to enhance it by having more lube grooves than is actually required to achieve the best in accuracy.

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Reply #5 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:02pm
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JLouis,    Interesting observation.   Did you consider the Lube capacity of 85cc in the diagram too much?   I actually removed one driving band and one lube groove and made the base band .055 longer than the original drawing on Sagebrush.   

To be sure the lube capacity of the Lyman 358318 was certainly less than this drawing.
  

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Reply #6 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:30pm
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John I'm not sure how much Black powder J Lewis shoots but I shoot a lot and just from my personal opinion your bullet looks good. I have a .40 caliber Kidwell bullet that is a lot like yours and it shoots to 600 yards fine , plus I have a fellow shooter who shoots a sagebrush made for a 10 twist that has more lube grooves than yours and I know it shoots great. That's why they call them mini lube groove bullets so they don't distort.
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:49pm
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Here's 3 that will shoot well to the ram line
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:54pm
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Thanks Hiwall.    I know Steve Baldwin recommended the version I modified.   He also shoots the heavier one I mentioned.    

I was using 40gr of OE 1&1/2 in what I've shot so far (the Lyman).   That gave me 1267fps velocity and a good lube star.    I'd hope to get that much powder and more if possible for just a little more velocity considering the 14 twist.
  

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Reply #9 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 8:54pm
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Thanks for the photos!
  

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Re: 35-40 Bullet Candidate
Reply #10 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:14pm
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I note on your reamer drawing, the useable case will only be 2.075 long. Is that right? Also, your pilot is larger than your bore. Everything else, looks ok.

I don't think that the grooves should be more than .015 deep, so that the miner diameter would be .329, instead of .314, it makes for a stronger bullet. My drawing of the PJ Money bullets, also have that groove depth. 

I would also in crease the first two bands, behind the .348 band, to .350 & .352, to better fit the leade of your chamber.

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Reply #11 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:30pm
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I might be wrong but his drawing shows 2.025 , top of base to case mouth , then .060 for base. That is 2.085 for the case right?
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:52pm
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Just a thought, you might look at an elliptical nose with a 
.17" hemi meplat for better yet BC.
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Reply #13 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 11:11pm
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Great input Gentlemen, Thanks!

Frank the pilot is .3475 vs a .348 bore diameter.  You scared me there for a minute 
I can change the groove depth on the lube grooves and see how that changes volume.   I like Tom Myers program for that reason.
I'm intrigued by the suggestion on the front driving bands and will look at that.

Hiwall, you are correct on the length.   May shoot you a pm on your bullets.  I’d like to know more.

Beltfed,   I can’t say I’m too versed in an elliptical nose but I’ll look into that and learn something about the software in doing so.   Bet Frank could help me there.    I like to get the center of gravity and the center of pressure as close to 2 or even under.  This one is 2.66.   Wonder if that would help?

My ping more than one of you about the points raised after tomorrow.  I’m got my grandson all day and won’t be able to visit this again till after wrestling practice in the evening.

Thanks,  Really appreciate the scrutinizing.   Better to have more eyes on it that a mine.  Especially at this stage in my learning curve.   

Thanks Again!
  

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Reply #14 - Jul 26th, 2016 at 10:00am
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John if 45HiWall says it works the way it is I would not change it based on his experience.

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