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Successfully made 32 Long Colt from 30 Carbine
Jul 1st, 2016 at 3:52am
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Its short on headspace by a ton but the cartridge fit and fires.

I have a Stevens Fav in 32 long RF, now converted to CF.

I needed a case to do some firing pin work and also test the firing pin for center and length. Since the epiphany i just had, Ill need to take a few thou off the pin potentially but in making the 30 carbine-32 Colt, I stumbled onto a 32-20 solution.

I used a 32-20 die following a lathe trim of .015 on the carbine, to start a .327 neck.
Then used a 32 ACP die to full length size the case.

that produces a ball of brass that is very thin (using a modified milled shell holder permitting as much travel as possible) right above the rim.

Back to lathe, trim .010 off head again.

Now the assembly is .327 end to end. I made a 32 H&R! I don't have any 32 S&W or 32 H&R to experiment with but I did have a ton of 1955 Carbine.

Now that the brass is thinner and happier, having less brass to flow, I built a custom .317 die using an insert (not my idea, no credit due). That produces uniform .317 end to end, sans a .005 ball again at the head. The .317 sizer actually has a square face and it kisses the modified shell holder sizing all the way to the extractor groove.

But the rim thickness is only .050 on the carbine. The barrel on this rifle is certainly either misfit or is a replacement/foreign item. The takedown bolt doesn't sit in the middle, the barrel needs a .010 setback to line that bolt up. OF course the breach block shows a huge gap as well, not having the appropriate .067 rim thickness. But it sufficed for todays firing pin test, breach block fit and primer test. Proof of concept.
Tonight I had an epiphany. So many threads indicate that you can't use 32-20 brass for the colt replacement. BS. I made 32-20 from the carbine before continuing the process. Its a step in my forming. So If I had to thin the carbine to the 32-20 wall thickness, then size form 32-20 from the carbine........ why the hell can't I just use 32-20????????????
Then----- I get a .065 rim, at a larger and correctable .402 diameter (carbine is undersized enough to compound headspace problems, but extracts fine) and I do less lathe work, use less Imperial sizing wax, have prettier brass when complete, save steps, time, money....... and if I do have to set back the barrel to get the nub and takedown bolt to align properly, I can cut the rim recess to .402 and use the natural 32-20 rim as is for PERFECT headspace.

So YOU CAN MAKE 32 Colt long from 32-20!!
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Re: Successfully made 32 Long Colt from 30 Carbine
Reply #1 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 4:00am
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My primary issue is the gun has poor headspace but is tight.
Back to reloading-

The 32S&W, 32 H&R family all have .050 rim thickness.
32 Colt Long is .067!! That excess HS of .017 right there, plus the misfit barrel adding another .010!!

So If I form (unlike the guy on Gunbroker selling formed 32 colt, God Bless him for the inspiration!) from 32-20 rather than anemic rimmed 32 family pistol brass, I get a HUGE win win win win!!

BTW: Case mouth after the carbine was final formed, .298

I think thats .001 of tension on a .299 bullet! Yowzers! Woo Hoo.


If the brass is treated kindly I can see it lasting many firings with light smokeless loads (the cartridges are going to be too difficult to not crush with BP compressing, etc. They have .012 wall thickness plus a tad but still thats pretty thin with a tiny opening. Maybe Im concerned for nothing!

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Re: Successfully made 32 Long Colt from 30 Carbine
Reply #2 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 4:26am
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Do section one or two down by the base to be sure the process hasn't left any thin spots.   I use a drum sander, holding the case on a wooden stick.   

Phil

  

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Re: Successfully made 32 Long Colt from 30 Carbine
Reply #3 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 9:26am
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I've never tried the above mentioned cases, but have lots of .32 S&W Long, and have run them through my .32 Long Redding dies. A good case lube makes it a one shot deal, but the shell holder stops them from fully sizing down to the rim. 
I use a steel rod turned down to fit closely inside the case mouth after sizing, and chuck them at the mouth in my lathe to turn the rest down. I've also used my drill press and a file to do the same, and it's as fast, or even faster. Once the last part is turned down, they're ready to load and shoot.
I only tried the .32 S&W to see if they worked, as I have tons of original .32 Long. Just an insurance project to make sure I could do it if need be.
  

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Re: Successfully made 32 Long Colt from 30 Carbine
Reply #4 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 11:27am
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Phil thats a great idea. I will mill a few open. Both varieties!
  
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Re: Successfully made 32 Long Colt from 30 Carbine
Reply #5 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 3:43pm
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I made all correcting machining and it turns out when its all assembled correct with good geometry, the headspace on the rifle could be set to .005 (.052 rim recess and .0022 of actual block to breach).

So the 32-20 brass IS ABSOLUTELY PERFECT with the fat rim, BIG OD rim, perfect sizing, etc.

Milled both open (30 carbine and 32-20) and they both look like textbook speer data book cutaways.

In the end, I can make them from 30 carbine in a faster form now.
32-20 no longer viable due to my improved (smaller) rim recess depth that is on spec with new production 32 S&W.

I will break down and buy the reformed 32S&W and some bullets and go shoot it.

But I proved can be done, north most difficult brass Ive formed, but its the smallest difficult one yet.
  
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