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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2942 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Lead? Jun 19^th, 2016 at 9:01am	Print Post
	Is there a consensus on which lead is best for Schuetzen calibers/cartridges? 20-1, 30-1, Linotype, etc. For instance, what is likely to work best in my 32-40 with 14" twist barrel? Thanks.

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KAF Ex Member	Re: Lead? Reply #1 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 9:22am	Print Post
	Get ahold of Woody Woodruff and buy a bunch of his alloy. It is virgin lead and tin ordered from a supplier by the ton... 24 to 1 alloy, if I remember right


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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3987 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Lead? Reply #2 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 1:18pm	Print Post
	SSShooter wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 9:01am: Is there a consensus on which lead is best for Schuetzen calibers/cartridges? 20-1, 30-1, Linotype, etc. For instance, what is likely to work best in my 32-40 with 14" twist barrel? Thanks. Hmmmmm. When I grouped all my alloy resources I ended up with WW & Tin, Pure lead, Pure lead and tin and Linotype. The 300+ lb batch of pure lead and tin is 30:1; which allows me to add but a smidgen of tin to do 24:1, 20:1 etc. That allows me to tweek it for castability and/or shootability.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Lead? Reply #3 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 3:15pm	Print Post
	Glenn if you are using a long pointed bullet with an unsupported nose the harder the better to help keep that nose from slumping. For me its 16-1 lead and tin as its as hard as I can get without leading becoming an issue. For a FN bullet with a more fully supported nose 30-1 and on up should be fine if your rifle likes it that soft. JLouis

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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Lead? Reply #4 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 5:40pm	Print Post
	Quote: For me its 16-1 lead and tin as its as hard as I can get without leading becoming an issue. My favorite alloy for all my calibers except 22LR too. Why? Over other alloy, it slumps the best with land cuts further up into the nose = more bore riding Dan Theodore did an article in the BPC News with pictures


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Lead? Reply #5 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 7:50pm	Print Post
	For those of you who do not think a Bronze or Brass brush does any harm take a chrome moly barrel, polish the outside of it them scrub it with a bronze or brass or brass brush and let us know the outcome. JLouis

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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Lead? Reply #6 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 10:35am	Print Post
	A lot will depend on the bullet you are shooting and what you are shooting it with. If you are shooting a traditional Pope style bullet with Black powder or a duplex load you will want to go to the soft side 1 : 25 or 1 : 30. If you are shooting smokeless with a long spitzer bullet I'd start with 1 :20 and maybe try 1 : 16; Do not use wheel weights lonotype or other alloys with antimony when casting long spritzers. It goes through a slushy stage and after you drop the bullet from the mold the points will droop until they are fully hard. 40 Rod


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Lead? Reply #7 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:39pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 7:50pm: For those of you who do not think a Bronze or Brass brush does any harm take a chrome moly barrel, polish the outside of it them scrub it with a bronze or brass or brass brush and let us know the outcome. JLouis JLouis, Why don't you describe precisely what occurs when someone performs the actions you refer to in your warning above.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Lead? Reply #8 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:14pm	Print Post
	BP not a warning at all I got if off of Bench Rest Central, its a qoute from one of the top gunsmiths who builds rifles for that sport. He is one who is trusted by the top competitors who he was sharing it with and I simply passed it onto those here. JLouis

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Lead? Reply #9 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:49pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:14pm: BP not a warning at all I got if off of Bench Rest Central, its a qoute from one of the top gunsmiths who builds rifles for that sport. He is one who is trusted by the top competitors who he was sharing it with and I simply passed it onto those here. JLouis JLouis, So you are unable to provide any underlying basis for the "quote" you got off of Bench Rest Central? And you yourself have not actually polished the outside of a barrel and then scrubbed it with a bronze or brass brush to obtain any personal (to you) observations?

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Lead? Reply #10 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:37pm	Print Post
	BP you are correct in your assumption unlike others I do trust the words of advice from those who have been proven to be trust worthy and of course have more knowlegable than myself. My lead and tin barrels have never seen a brush of any kind so I have no need to preform the test for my own benefit. If anyone does not agee with his findings it has nothing to do with me I was just simply trying to share what his findings were possibly to the benefit of this group and nothing more. JLouis

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Lead? Reply #11 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:48pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:37pm: BP you are correct in your assumption unlike others I do trust the words of advice from those who have been proven to be trust worthy and of course have more knowlegable than myself. My lead and tin barrels have never seen a brush of any kind so I have no need to preform the test for my own benefit. If anyone does not agee with his findings it has nothing to do with me I was just simply trying to share what his findings were possibly to the benefit of this group and nothing more. JLouis JLouis, I had thought you would like to share the actual underlying basis for the "quote" you got off of Bench Rest Central with this forums lurkers and newest members, who may not visit that website, so that they may also share in understanding the actual reasons why you imply via quote that they should not use a Bronze or Brass brush. If you wish to share that knowledge, or not, the floor is all yours.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Lead? Reply #12 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 11:49pm	Print Post
	BP if you have any specific questions, doubts, concerns or simply want to create a debate it would be in your best intrest to simply go to the Benchrest Central Forum Site and to have what ever it is that you would like to have more clearly defined or accomplished to your satisfaction straight from the horses mouth in lieu of just wanting to shoot the messenger. JLouis

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JS47 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1265 Location: Arizona Joined: Oct 12^th, 2012	Re: Lead? Reply #13 - Jun 21^st, 2016 at 12:22am	Print Post
	I don't like to butt in but, I had to try it. I brought a piece of chrome moly barrel up to a mirror shine and rubbed an old, used bore brush lengthwise along it pretty aggressively. It did leave some scratches but they were very light and shallow. A new bore brush was tried on another section with the same results. I then put some JB Bore Paste on a patch and rubbed it vigorously on another area. All it did was make the shine shinier. The JB wouldn't remove the previously made scratches. I don't know what conclusions to draw other than that it looks like it would take a whole lot of scrubbing with a bronze bore brush to induce any measurable change in the bore and that the scratches are so shallow that they probably don't cause any problems. Others may disagree . JS


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Lead? Reply #14 - Jun 21^st, 2016 at 12:43am	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 11:49pm: BP if you have any specific questions, doubts, concerns or simply want to create a debate it would be in your best intrest to simply go to the Benchrest Central Forum Site and to have what ever it is that you would like to have more clearly defined or accomplished to your satisfaction straight from the horses mouth in lieu of just wanting to shoot the messenger. JLouis JLouis, I'm neither satisfied nor dissatisfied either way by your "quote". You seemed to be an individual who has expressed concerns with the education of others, and it seemed reasonable that you would like to share your knowledge with those who don't desire to visit that particular website, but if you don't want to past on your knowledge, then, simply, don't.

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